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in calling for Chip Kelly to be fired.
I...hate...Canzano...
I...hate...Canzano...
Damn, Canzano leading the masses
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The sad part of this is that Kelly has been open to cano and even his negative approach. Kelly has granted him access and interviews, even when can hasn't been respectful.
NONE of us know all the facts, yet cano is calling for the termination of someone who has been a solid leader?? Show's his intentions. I hope can is ousted from the program. Kelly will be at Oregon for years to come....no worries.
NONE of us know all the facts, yet cano is calling for the termination of someone who has been a solid leader?? Show's his intentions. I hope can is ousted from the program. Kelly will be at Oregon for years to come....no worries.
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I spoke with University of Oregon football coach Chip Kelly in early March, amid reports that a Texas man named Willie Lyles was involved in a recruiting scandal that could bring down the Ducks program.
Kelly told me he didn't know who Willie Lyles was.
I believed him.
That same evening, a Yahoo Sports story reported that Lyles was paid $25,000 by Oregon. So I texted Kelly, asking him why he lied to me, and we ended up on the telephone, where Kelly insisted I'd confused him by asking about "Willie Lyles." He said, "around here, we call him 'Will.' We've already distanced ourselves from him, trust me."
I was a sucker then. I'm a sucker now.
Because Lyles went public again with his side of the story again on Friday. And it's a doozy. He says Oregon scrambled to cover its tracks around that same time, and asked him to provide scouting materials that it could offer to the public, and to the NCAA.
Those materials, Lyles said, were taken from his laptop and explain why he provided outdated and incomplete materials to the Ducks. Also, Lyles said he was involved in helping get LaMichael James eligible and in Eugene, and also, helped coordinate the signing of Lache Seastrunk's national letter of intent.
Not the stuff of a scouting service. And the hunch here is that the NCAA is going to circle back and interview Lyles again. The more he talks, the worse this gets for Oregon.
Lyles told Yahoo, "I look back at it now and they paid for what they saw as my access and influence with recruits. The service I provided went beyond what a scouting service should. ... I made a mistake and I'm big enough of a man to admit I was wrong."
I don't care for Lyles. But I find him credible. His story checks out just fine. Phone records show he talked to Kelly and Ducks assistants when he said he did. His explanation of the scouting materials fits with the documents Oregon released last month.
So it feels as though we've arrived at the beginning of the end of Kelly as the Ducks coach.
He may not be fired by Oregon. Kelly may not resign his position. But he's lost his footing, and if he's lied to NCAA investigators, they won't go easy on the Ducks should Oregon keep Kelly around.
I know. Oregon's position is that it feels like it's done nothing wrong here. If they believe that in their souls, I'll worry about them. But if Oregon hasn't already called Kelly on the carpet, it's the preservation of the institution that should be on the minds of administrators there today.
The NCAA will want to know who's in charge in Eugene?
Because what we have in Kelly is a guy with no prior experience as a head coach who took over the job while a pair of inexperienced athletic directors (Pat Killkenny and Mike Bellotti) were on watch. And you can't help but connect all of that and wonder if Oregon simply lost its way for a couple of years.
Was the lack of experience in those key positions how the Ducks ended up here today? Was anyone at all paying attention? And if this Kelly thing blows up in the worst way, is it possible that Bellotti could end up back on the sideline at Autzen?
All fair questions. And all of them will wait until after the NCAA sorts through the wreckage behind Lyles, and determines which rules were broken, and which were simply circumvented craftfully.
I covered Jerry Tarkanian for three seasons, and encountered characters such as Lyles in droves. Tark knew the rules and lived comfortably in the gray areas. A wise newspaper editor, frustrated with Tarkanian's ability to slip the blame, announced in the newsroom, "We only go to print if it's a shot to the heart."
That Yahoo report was a kill shot.
The NCAA will most certainly have more questions. And whether Oregon's big offense is breaking a rule, or scrambling to cover things up, becomes secondary to me. Now, I just mostly want to see the UO grab control of this spiraling situation and start acting like a place of higher learning.
Journalists shouldn't be policing the program. The summer shouldn't be spent scrambling.
I suspect Oregon is spending most of its time right now searching for the cleanest route out of this Lyles mess. The Ducks silence is deafening right now. And I suspect the quotable Kelly is bouncing off the walls, wanting to fire back at Lyles.
The Ducks didn't need Lyles. They were winning games without his help. And yeah, I'm a sucker because when I saw Oregon suit up against Auburn and controversial quarterback Cam Newton in the national title game, I believed the Ducks were the ones doing it the right way.
I'm not sure either team did after hearing the information coming from Lyles.
You know, the guy known around the football offices as "Will."
--John Canzano:
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2011/07/canzano_chip_kelly_loses_his_f.html
Kelly told me he didn't know who Willie Lyles was.
I believed him.
That same evening, a Yahoo Sports story reported that Lyles was paid $25,000 by Oregon. So I texted Kelly, asking him why he lied to me, and we ended up on the telephone, where Kelly insisted I'd confused him by asking about "Willie Lyles." He said, "around here, we call him 'Will.' We've already distanced ourselves from him, trust me."
I was a sucker then. I'm a sucker now.
Because Lyles went public again with his side of the story again on Friday. And it's a doozy. He says Oregon scrambled to cover its tracks around that same time, and asked him to provide scouting materials that it could offer to the public, and to the NCAA.
Those materials, Lyles said, were taken from his laptop and explain why he provided outdated and incomplete materials to the Ducks. Also, Lyles said he was involved in helping get LaMichael James eligible and in Eugene, and also, helped coordinate the signing of Lache Seastrunk's national letter of intent.
Not the stuff of a scouting service. And the hunch here is that the NCAA is going to circle back and interview Lyles again. The more he talks, the worse this gets for Oregon.
Lyles told Yahoo, "I look back at it now and they paid for what they saw as my access and influence with recruits. The service I provided went beyond what a scouting service should. ... I made a mistake and I'm big enough of a man to admit I was wrong."
I don't care for Lyles. But I find him credible. His story checks out just fine. Phone records show he talked to Kelly and Ducks assistants when he said he did. His explanation of the scouting materials fits with the documents Oregon released last month.
So it feels as though we've arrived at the beginning of the end of Kelly as the Ducks coach.
He may not be fired by Oregon. Kelly may not resign his position. But he's lost his footing, and if he's lied to NCAA investigators, they won't go easy on the Ducks should Oregon keep Kelly around.
I know. Oregon's position is that it feels like it's done nothing wrong here. If they believe that in their souls, I'll worry about them. But if Oregon hasn't already called Kelly on the carpet, it's the preservation of the institution that should be on the minds of administrators there today.
The NCAA will want to know who's in charge in Eugene?
Because what we have in Kelly is a guy with no prior experience as a head coach who took over the job while a pair of inexperienced athletic directors (Pat Killkenny and Mike Bellotti) were on watch. And you can't help but connect all of that and wonder if Oregon simply lost its way for a couple of years.
Was the lack of experience in those key positions how the Ducks ended up here today? Was anyone at all paying attention? And if this Kelly thing blows up in the worst way, is it possible that Bellotti could end up back on the sideline at Autzen?
All fair questions. And all of them will wait until after the NCAA sorts through the wreckage behind Lyles, and determines which rules were broken, and which were simply circumvented craftfully.
I covered Jerry Tarkanian for three seasons, and encountered characters such as Lyles in droves. Tark knew the rules and lived comfortably in the gray areas. A wise newspaper editor, frustrated with Tarkanian's ability to slip the blame, announced in the newsroom, "We only go to print if it's a shot to the heart."
That Yahoo report was a kill shot.
The NCAA will most certainly have more questions. And whether Oregon's big offense is breaking a rule, or scrambling to cover things up, becomes secondary to me. Now, I just mostly want to see the UO grab control of this spiraling situation and start acting like a place of higher learning.
Journalists shouldn't be policing the program. The summer shouldn't be spent scrambling.
I suspect Oregon is spending most of its time right now searching for the cleanest route out of this Lyles mess. The Ducks silence is deafening right now. And I suspect the quotable Kelly is bouncing off the walls, wanting to fire back at Lyles.
The Ducks didn't need Lyles. They were winning games without his help. And yeah, I'm a sucker because when I saw Oregon suit up against Auburn and controversial quarterback Cam Newton in the national title game, I believed the Ducks were the ones doing it the right way.
I'm not sure either team did after hearing the information coming from Lyles.
You know, the guy known around the football offices as "Will."
--John Canzano:
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2011/07/canzano_chip_kelly_loses_his_f.html
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I'm recalling the interview a year back where JC was with Kelly and he repeatedly tried passing the BS he'd been peddling about LaMichael only to have CK smack him down repeatedly. The final line of the interview was a classic KO of the village idiot
This is how (facts be damned) a snively pathetic rodent seeks revenge for that. How contemptuous of his audience's intelligence is it that he proports he was rooting for the good guy Ducks all along in the championship game after having them on blast all year as part of his schtick? Hell I'm barely aware of what the clown says as I only read the headlines but I know he's up to his eyes in brown here. It's sad for Portland that he's become a pot stirrer of note
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This is how (facts be damned) a snively pathetic rodent seeks revenge for that. How contemptuous of his audience's intelligence is it that he proports he was rooting for the good guy Ducks all along in the championship game after having them on blast all year as part of his schtick? Hell I'm barely aware of what the clown says as I only read the headlines but I know he's up to his eyes in brown here. It's sad for Portland that he's become a pot stirrer of note
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Are we looking at all the facts here or just relying on Lyles last story?
Here's a recent interview where Lyles says the opposite. How much creditability does this guy have? At least UO officials have stuck to the same story:
http://www.foxsportsradio.com/pages/jasonwhitlock/
People are getting ahead of themselves here. This is nothing like USC paying a players family and lying, or Ohio State giving players illegal benefits and lying.
So far we know Lyles lied at one point because he has changed his story. Family members of players have stated they were never influenced, no player has come forward to say Lyles influenced them.
All you have is Canzano flapping his mindless lips. The douche has cried wolf too many times. Canzano is not neutral and he has an axe to grind....
The way I see it, nothing has changed since the (neutral) SI article stated that if there are violations, they are minor. We don't know what violations were committed, if any. Right now it all seems vague and undefined. Yes, it appears as this developed Oregon requested additional scouting material, but this isn't a violation. It is entirely plausible that Oregon received oral recruiting services and simply needed documentation.
Here's a recent interview where Lyles says the opposite. How much creditability does this guy have? At least UO officials have stuck to the same story:
http://www.foxsportsradio.com/pages/jasonwhitlock/
People are getting ahead of themselves here. This is nothing like USC paying a players family and lying, or Ohio State giving players illegal benefits and lying.
So far we know Lyles lied at one point because he has changed his story. Family members of players have stated they were never influenced, no player has come forward to say Lyles influenced them.
All you have is Canzano flapping his mindless lips. The douche has cried wolf too many times. Canzano is not neutral and he has an axe to grind....
The way I see it, nothing has changed since the (neutral) SI article stated that if there are violations, they are minor. We don't know what violations were committed, if any. Right now it all seems vague and undefined. Yes, it appears as this developed Oregon requested additional scouting material, but this isn't a violation. It is entirely plausible that Oregon received oral recruiting services and simply needed documentation.
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You guys are cheating. You got caught. Bummer.
Is this your ten seconds of fame? Rather pathetic.
Can you show me exactly how the UofO cheated, facts only and not speculation? Thanks.
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Are you up to date on the facts? You make a bold, assertive and damaging claim, so back it with facts or be deemed of weak constitution.
I'll present facts:
Lyles discovered Oregon wasn't going to pay him for this year, and since he was aleady "done" as a scouting service and his business dead, he changed his story - that Oregon paid him for more than recruiting services. Yet, he can't give examples or details. However, he still maintains he didn't steer recruits to Oregon.
Oregon hired a poor businessman with a terrible history for a service he didn't deliver, then they demanded product. Oregon should be more careful here.
Oregon operated openly and transparently through the AD Office. If Oregon is cheating, as you claim, where?? Players, family members, everyone involved have stated they were not influenced and even Lyles said he didn't influence players. Why can't you answer that question? You made a bold claim and labelled the UofO as cheaters, so follow up your bold claim, if you can. Be a person of your word with facts.
It is possible we might see more developments here, but for now it continues to appear like minor infractions based on Lyles being considered a booster and his involvement.
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