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http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/10/12/1748382/yeah-theres-something-wrong-here

Food for thought, even if you disagree with his observations and conclusions (jury is still out for me having not seen any of the games)

Now to the offense. It still isn't clicking. Once again being short personnel is an issue. The Blazers have zero legit, proven low-post players. Oden is their best shot. Even when he comes back, he'll need work and his teammates will have to work on incorporating him. Without that rim-ward threat any inside-out game becomes outside-farther outside. No matter how good your scorers are, that's not a bankable solution. When the ball doesn't penetrate the defense that defense doesn't have to adjust. All they have to do is shuffle sideways a little and you're watched. On a good day that means one-on-one moves for jumpers. On a bad day that means one-on-one moves for deep, covered jumpers.

The adjustment the team will have to make is going to be difficult. When things weren't clicking early last season I chalked it up to growing pains and the vagaries of youth. At this point, though, I'm beginning to suspect there's something structurally wrong with the team. Plenty of people are going to cry, "Coaching!" but I'm not convinced it's as easy as a different, interior-oriented scheme...a scheme which, in any case, the Blazers don't have the big offensive bodies to run right now. I suspect instead the Blazers suffer from having three main players who need the ball to be effective and a bevy of underlings with the potential to explode offensively but not the experience or credibility to demand the right to do so consistently (or even to see if they can).

That Brandon Roy likes the ball is well-chronicled. LaMarcus Aldridge needs time to develop any move besides a face-up jumper. Quick-release jumpers should not be his staple in any case. As proficient and assist-heavy of a point guard as Andre Miller is, he banks on his scoring and he thrives on the ability to decide between the shot and the pass. Take that away from him and he becomes pedestrian.

I'm beginning to suspect that the chemistry isn't right between these players and it's affecting how much the secondary guys get to shine, highlighting the pitfalls of their inexperience instead of covering for them. If this is true, the games starting to count for real won't alleviate the problem. The Blazers have way too much talent to lose by the bucketful even with imperfect chemistry. But I don't think they make any dramatic steps until they're clicking together. I don't think vital cogs like Oden and Batum, Bayless and Matthews make as much difference as they should under these circumstances. They are they key to Portland's improvement.

I'm not sure there's an easy solution. You could posit any number of trades but you don't want the Blazers to become less talented or less deep thereby. Any trade of core players would have to bring back commensurate talent with tightly targeted skills and the ability to complement six other guys. The list of available players with those qualifications is tiny. I'm sure the short-term solution will be to ride it out and see if these guys can work together. Eventually something will have to give, though. These pre-season results have provided a sneak peak at that giving. It hasn't been pretty.

Anybody here who's actually watched the team live in pre-season have anything they can add?
 
I watched the Clipper game live and while I agree with someone of the assessments, I can't say I agree with all of them.

I don't think any players has drastically changed his game to a point where we'll be surprised with how much better they got. Batum and LMA were probably the most hyped this off-season, and while Batum might be a little better, I think his increase in minutes will be the reason you see an increase in his numbers, not a newly found post-up game.

The Clipper game, we played solid defense against a horrible team, and it led to a lot of easy baskets. Obviously, this hasn't been the case recently, and our offense has struggled because of it. Another factor in our offense being horrible seems to be that Roy is taking a backseat right now. Under Nate, it seems we have the most success on offense when Roy's usage rate is as high as possible. I'm guessing we'll see this increase during the regular season.

I think Wesley Matthews is better than many of us thought he would be, and so is Rudy for that matter.

This season comes down to GO's health. That's probably not a good thing, but I think it's a reality.
 
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/10/12/1748382/yeah-theres-something-wrong-here

Food for thought, even if you disagree with his observations and conclusions (jury is still out for me having not seen any of the games)




Anybody here who's actually watched the team live in pre-season have anything they can add?
Pretty well written article. I only watched us vs the clippers and our offense was clicking their so when he talks about the offense being stagnant and falling apart when those three don't play well I can't comment. It does sound like in the other games that Bayless and Mathews don't really need permission to try and take over offensively but in everything I saw and what i'v heard it has been the second unit that has come out and played aggressively and played well. The Starting unit has seemed to only have Aldridge playing well offensively.
If I were to be worried (which I, without watching more games live, won't be) it would be because the starters haven't seemed to click that well even though they were the starters for a good portion of last season.
 
Neither Boston nor LA have good low post games and they seem to make out OK. We can win without a low post player if we're smart. Players getting the ball when and where they need it... That's a matter of good coaching and smart players.
 
I wonder how bad these games would get without Wesley Matthews? He's the one bright spot this preseason amidst a lot of mediocre offense and sloppy defense.

For me the Andre Miller experiment is over. We've seen his act in the playoffs and it's nothing the team can count on. He's only half the chemistry problem in the backcourt, but Brandon isn't going anywhere so his expiring contract is an obvious asset to move.

Since Cho took the job we've been waiting for a big trade. I like the Devin Harris talk, but that was too good to be true. Still waiting...
 
Here we are in the pre season and people have nailed the Trailblazer coffin shut and planted them 6' under. Seems a little premature to me. We have plenty enough talent to see us thru for Oden/Godzilla return. Trust me, the sky has not fallen down.
 
Here we are in the pre season and people have nailed the Trailblazer coffin shut and planted them 6' under. Seems a little premature to me. We have plenty enough talent to see us thru for Oden/Godzilla return. Trust me, the sky has not fallen down.



I think at this point, the people "nailing the Trailblazer coffin shut" are thining that this team will make the playoffs. I get the impression that most that are concerned, are concerned with the playoffs. Our offense is not a good fit for the playoffs.
 
Speaking of Blazersedge, it seems Quick is going after Ben: http://twitter.com/jwquick

Thing I respect most about mainstream media: most talk to the people they rip

Brandon Roy called out by blogger for not playing hard in Monday's exhibition. Pretty sure he wasn't asked about it then - he will Wednesday

Same blogger says there's on-court chemistry issues with Andre Miller and Brandon Roy. Wondering what Miller has to say about that.
 
I wonder how bad these games would get without Wesley Matthews? He's the one bright spot this preseason amidst a lot of mediocre offense and sloppy defense.

For me the Andre Miller experiment is over. We've seen his act in the playoffs and it's nothing the team can count on. He's only half the chemistry problem in the backcourt, but Brandon isn't going anywhere so his expiring contract is an obvious asset to move.

Since Cho took the job we've been waiting for a big trade. I like the Devin Harris talk, but that was too good to be true. Still waiting...

I have a feeling if Matthews wasn't scoring like he has been, Brandon wold have picked it up a bit.
 
It's Pre-Season... no reason to panic.
I'm not a fan of Dave from BlazersEdge. His basketball IQ seems to be about as high as Travis Outlaw.
 
I have a feeling if Matthews wasn't scoring like he has been, Brandon wold have picked it up a bit.

I think Brandon is behaving a bit like when Miller showed up. He was kind of in a funk for awhile. He will snap out of it.
 
BlazersEdge pissed a lot of people off after this Ben guy released the picture of Rebecca out with her friends a couple summers ago. He would also write up stuff on her and she didn't like it. I've heard Quick and Freeman don't like this guy either.
 
There are definitely reasons for concern, but not too much concern. If I remember correctly, the Bulls were something like 2-4 in their preseason the year they went 72-9. They didn't have a good "low post threat". You could say all of the same things Dave is saying about that Bulls team, too, but it would obviously be alarmist and wrong. I'm ready to wait until the Blazers have 10 regular season games under their belt before I worry too much.
 
Another example of "some internet guy has the same opinion as I hold, so this means I'm right". Not with the OP, but you catch the drift.

What insider knowledge does Dave at BE have, other than his own opinions, and a forum in which to express those opinions?
 
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How soon people forget that Brandon played arguably the best ball of his career last year when Andre was finally starting, he was a two, and hadn't gotten hurt yet.
 
For me the Andre Miller experiment is over. We've seen his act in the playoffs and it's nothing the team can count on. He's only half the chemistry problem in the backcourt, but Brandon isn't going anywhere so his expiring contract is an obvious asset to move.

Since this garbage got shot down in another thread, you figured you would see if it stuck in this thread?

Andre Miller isn't going to win a playoff series by himself, but he was clearly not the reason the Blazers lost the series, considering the Suns had to put their best defender on him and change their defensive scheme to slow him down.

Let it go.
 
I watched the Clipper game live and while I agree with someone of the assessments, I can't say I agree with all of them.

I don't think any players has drastically changed his game to a point where we'll be surprised with how much better they got. Batum and LMA were probably the most hyped this off-season, and while Batum might be a little better, I think his increase in minutes will be the reason you see an increase in his numbers, not a newly found post-up game.

The Clipper game, we played solid defense against a horrible team, and it led to a lot of easy baskets. Obviously, this hasn't been the case recently, and our offense has struggled because of it. Another factor in our offense being horrible seems to be that Roy is taking a backseat right now. Under Nate, it seems we have the most success on offense when Roy's usage rate is as high as possible. I'm guessing we'll see this increase during the regular season.

I think Wesley Matthews is better than many of us thought he would be, and so is Rudy for that matter.

This season comes down to GO's health. That's probably not a good thing, but I think it's a reality.

Agree with this. I was at the MC game against Utah and Matthews is a gem, a huge pick up for the team. He needs to settle down a bit but his energy especially on defense is infectious. He has Jerome Kersey like motor and can hit the three and take it inside. Some huge percentage of the best plays in that game were Matthews related. I especially liked the line up of Batum SF, Roy SG/PG, Matthews SG/PG. Gave us great ball handling, incredible defense and two shooters for Roy to target. Once Roy gets up to speed that lineup could devastate some teams letting Roy cheat on defense and fill up the passing lanes while Batum and Matthews lock guys down.

Matthews is a huge pick up and is going to be a spark off the bench. LMA and Batum also looked good. Rudy looked like Rudy circa 2008/09 version. Not sure what the deal is with Rudy. I suspect that Cho told him that if he wants off the team he better start upping his trade value and quit sandbagging. Whatever happened he looks great.
 
Anybody here who's actually watched the team live in pre-season have anything they can add?


LMA is hungry for the ball in the post. The team has been slow as hell to get him the ball. He needs it quick before he gets pushed off the block (I know, I know). I believe LMA can be highly effective at drawing fouls and double teams if he gets that ball soon and often. We need to speed up the ball movement and have some vision. Too often guys are in good position or open but the ball arrives a second late.
 
Since this garbage got shot down in another thread, you figured you would see if it stuck in this thread?

Andre Miller isn't going to win a playoff series by himself, but he was clearly not the reason the Blazers lost the series, considering the Suns had to put their best defender on him and change their defensive scheme to slow him down.

Let it go.

How did it get "shot down"? I happen to agree, if not completely at this point, at least in principle . To me, there is no fucking way that Brandon Roy should have to take a backseat to Andre Miller and adjust his game to Miller's. Miller, at most, has 2 years left in Portland, and if he keeps playing like he has been in the preseason, he may have 1/2 of a season left in Portland before he is packaged with Przy at the trade deadline.

"Shot down."

Fer fuck's sake...
 
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, considering the Suns had to put their best defender on him and change their defensive scheme to slow him down.

Let it go.

A) Grant Hill may have been the Suns best defender, but he is hardly an elite defender. Miller not being able to hit the broadside of a barn meant that Hill could sag off of 'Dre.

B) Hill didn't "slow" down Miller. He shut his ass down and made him a liability.
 
To me, there is no fucking way that Brandon Roy should have to take a backseat to Andre Miller and adjust his game to Miller's.

To me, B-Roy needs to adjust to playing with any true point guard, not just Miller. If there is anybody on the team that I'm not worried about having to make adjustments its are all-star, B-Roy. He needs to adjust to an offense with more Ball and Player movement, Period.
 
If you have managed to watch any of the games this preseason then you have one up on Dave from BlazersEdge. He lives in Idaho and has only listened to the preseason games on the radio or read the box score.

Really, he has almost no basis at all for what he is saying here.
 
I actually think this analysis is pretty lame.

I suspect instead the Blazers suffer from having three main players who need the ball to be effective and a bevy of underlings with the potential to explode offensively but not the experience or credibility to demand the right to do so consistently (or even to see if they can).

How is this not true of every team? How many teams have three main players don't need the ball to be effective? It is pretty difficult to be a "main player" and be effective without the ball. Pretty lame.

That Brandon Roy likes the ball is well-chronicled. LaMarcus Aldridge needs time to develop any move besides a face-up jumper.

Well duh. If you want somebody to operate in the post, it takes time to develop. This is stupid.

As proficient and assist-heavy of a point guard as Andre Miller is, he banks on his scoring and he thrives on the ability to decide between the shot and the pass. Take that away from him and he becomes pedestrian.

What a surprise. If you take an option away from a good, not great player, their effectiveness is reduced. Great analysis!

I don't disagree that the Blazers' offense struggles and needs some change, but the reasoning in this article is silly.
 
How did it get "shot down"? I happen to agree, if not completely at this point, at least in principle . To me, there is no fucking way that Brandon Roy should have to take a backseat to Andre Miller and adjust his game to Miller's. Miller, at most, has 2 years left in Portland, and if he keeps playing like he has been in the preseason, he may have 1/2 of a season left in Portland before he is packaged with Przy at the trade deadline.

Great story. And none of this has anything to do with the Suns series that Brandon didn't play in.
 

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