Dems to push through healthcare bill behind closed doors?

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This is so incredibly frustrating to me.

Since it's basically one-party rule in Washington nowadays, Democratic leaders including Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are seriously considering pushing President Obama's beloved healthcare legislation through Congress without the normal conference committee work involving both party's members from both houses.
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After Obama made these statements:

http://blip.tv/play/hJNRgbu+TwI.m4v


It would be bad enough if there was overwhelming public support for the bill, and the GOP was blocking it. However, it is NOT a popular bill, most people don't want it.

A new Rassmussen Reports poll out Monday finds that a majority of Americans believe the new plans will hurt healthcare quality, 59% figure it will actually increase healthcare costs, 57% oppose the bills' intent to cut Medicare benefits by hundreds of billions of dollars and, for some reason, 78% of Americans suspect the Obama administration cost estimates are way under the actual expenses.
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This is the most frustrated I have been with the current incarnation of the government. :sigh:

LA Times
 
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It seems many on this board are in favor of this legislation. Are they willing to defend the way the Democrats are going about it? So far, the silence is deafening.
 
BTW, Brian Lamb is hardly some fire-breating partisan. He's merely asking the President to live up to his word.
 
It's about time they did that. They should have just shut the fucking republicans out in the first place and did what they wanted. :pimp:
 
hasoos said:
It's about time they did that. They should have just shut the fucking republicans out in the first place and did what they wanted. :pimp:
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Why? Because most Americans don't like this bill?
 
meh, are they still debating this shit? they're going to do it anyway whether we like it or not. fuck them all.
 
hasoos said:
It's about time they did that. They should have just shut the fucking republicans out in the first place and did what they wanted. :pimp:
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You remind me of the person who tells a woman if they're going to get raped, they should just sit back and enjoy it.
 
hasoos said:
It's about time they did that. They should have just shut the fucking republicans out in the first place and did what they wanted. :pimp:
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Would you be in favor of doing the same thing if the Republicans were in control of the House, Senate and Executive? You do understand we're not in a parliamentary system, right?
 
I watch an hour or two of C-SPAN in the mornings before work. They talked about this a lot today.

They generally haven't (to my knowledge) shown these types of events. They show the House on C-SPAN 1 and the Senate on C-SPAN 2, and this is like both. Though they do show bill markup sessions of either house.

The thing is, the Dems promised they'd do this in the sunshine and Lamb is calling them out on it

The Dems are going to pass a bill that's half pork and they don't want people to see all the deals they're going to have to cut to get enough votes.
 
Meanwhile,

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/06/7-senate-democrats-vulnerable/?feat=home_headlines

Dodd, Dorgan out; 5 other Senate Dems vulnerable

While two Senate Democrats already have seen the handwriting on the wall and bailed out of re-election races, five others trail Republicans in states where President Obama and his trillion-dollar health-care-reform plan are increasingly unpopular.

From Nevada, where Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid trails badly, to Arkansas, where Sen. Blanche Lincoln is polling at just 40 percent in head-to-head matchups with four possible Republican challengers, opposition to the health-care bill is reverberating.

(more at the link)
 
blazerboy30 said:
I thought for sure Barfo would be here spinning away and defending Obama and the Left's tactics. I'm a little surprised he isn't. Maybe he is off duty today? :dunno:
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I am off duty today. Maybe this weekend I can address this molehill you call a mountain.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I am off duty today. Maybe this weekend I can address this molehill you call a mountain.

barfo
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We all know you'd address it if you really wanted to, barfo. ;) Shoot, if this were about Bush, that molehill would probably be cancerous.
 
ABM said:
We all know you'd address it if you really wanted to. Shoot, if this were about Bush, that molehill would probably be cancerous.
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I don't recall starting a lot of threads complaining about Bush back in the day, frankly. I don't start any praising Obama, either. I just respond to what others post.

But in reality, I really am kind of busy right now, sorry. You'll just have to be outraged without me.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I don't recall starting a lot of threads complaining about Bush back in the day, frankly. I don't start any praising Obama, either. I just respond to what others post.

But in reality, I really am kind of busy right now, sorry. You'll just have to be outraged without me.

barfo
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Greatly disappointed is a more apt description of my state of mind.
 
barfo said:
I am off duty today. Maybe this weekend I can address this molehill you call a mountain.

barfo
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Yeah, taking over 1/6th of the US economy behind closed doors is a "molehill".
 
blazerboy30 said:
:ghoti:

There's that ridiculous spin and and partisan blindness I was missing!! :clap:
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I read a great analogy this morning. Would the reaction from the Left be the same if President Bush had campaigned that he would reform Social Security in a bi-partisan and transparent manner, televising the negotiations on C-SPAN and then completely privatized Social Security in a closed-door meeting with he, Cheney, DeLay and Frist?

This stuff is beyond politics. It's about shady dealings in government. The Republicans were quite rightly called out for it when they did it on inconsequential legislation. Why are the Democrats different simply because the media and most members of the press agree with their aims? Especially when it means radically changing 1/6th of the US economy? It's the process that's important.
 
Same old politics.

I'm starting to get a one term feeling from Obama unless he really starts picking up his game.

Doesn't make me sad, the thing that would scare the hell out of me would be a republican/neo-con getting control and fucking up our country even more. Dear God.

Thankfully I don't think Americans would go for a neo-con any time soon.
 
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