Denny, Maxiep, Shooter and others delusional?!?

[Denny Crane]

According to the polls, most Americans blame the tea party more than anyone else for the recent unpleasantness. That doesn't bode well for their relevance.

barfo

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-debt-ceiling-fight-hurts-obama-florida-100410204.html

Poll: Debt ceiling fight hurts Obama in Florida

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — President Barack Obama is losing support among Florida voters, especially among independents, a poll released Thursday shows.

Fifty percent of voters surveyed randomly by landline telephone between July 27-Aug. 2 by Quinnipiac (Conn.) University said Obama would not deserve a second term in the election were held today. However, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was the only announced Republican candidate with enough support in the poll to give the president a strong challenge. Both men were favored by 44 percent of those questioned.

And while 50 percent of those surveyed said they approved of the debt ceiling deal, only 2 percent said they were enthusiastic about the settlement compared to 18 percent who registered as angry, including nearly a fourth — 23 percent — of independents.

It was with independents where Obama took his biggest hit. Sixty-one percent of independents said they now disapprove of the president's performance compared to 33 percent who approved. In May, 47 percent of the independents approved of Obama's job performance compared to 45 percent who did not.

Obama wasn't helped by the recent fight with Congress over raising the nation's debt ceiling, the poll indicated.

 

[Denny Crane]

According to the polls, most Americans blame the tea party more than anyone else for the recent unpleasantness. That doesn't bode well for their relevance.

barfo

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-08-03-poll-debt-agreement_n.htm

Though Tea Party conservatives succeeded in setting the parameters of the deal, supporters of the Tea Party are among those most unhappy with the outcome: 22% of Tea Party supporters approve of the agreement, compared with 26% of Republicans and 58% of Democrats.

Though Obama and congressional Democrats failed in their efforts to include higher taxes on the wealthy in the plan, Democrats were among those who rate it most highly. Two-thirds of moderate Democrats and six in 10 liberal Democrats approve of the deal.

None of the policymakers involved gets high ratings for their role, although Obama's standing is the least bad: 41% approve, 49% disapprove.

The congressional leaders — House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. — fare worse, with approval ratings that trail disapproval by about 20 percentage points. The Tea Party members of Congress score a bit better than that: 33% of those polled approve they way they handled the negotiations; 49% disapprove.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1632

"President Barack Obama's numbers in the key swing state of Florida have gone south in the last two months. The debt ceiling deal is not making any difference in that decline and any bounce he got from the bin Laden operation is long since gone," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "The president's drop off is huge among independent voters who now disapprove almost 2-1."

The post-debt deal poll shows little change in Obama's May approval among Republicans and Democrats. But among independent voters he plummets from a 47 - 45 percent split in May to a 61 - 33 percent disapproval today.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I can't read what barfo is posting, but I'm sure it's dull, redundant, and biased. :MARIS61:

Sort of. Mostly typical barfoisms. But not all so.

 

[jlprk]

the phrase "delusions of grandeur" come to mind. fuck, this board's basically exists because I basically was making fun of Obama and a few mods on BBF couldn't handle it and went batshit insane.

You must have made that up to illustrate what a delusion of grandeur is. Great imitation of what you're against. Very clever, pretending to have such a delusion yourself in the very next sentence after accusing others of it. Only someone batshit crazy could do that accidentally.

you cannot say with a straight face that he has met your expectations or even come close to fulfilling the hype machine that swept him into office.

That's a criticism from the left. Surprising that you are disappointed. Someone on the right would be glad that he hasn't changed things. Someone not playing both sides like a game.

idiots with ideals and against the establishment trumps lifelong politicians and the system that has not worked

It's no ideal to kill tens of millions of Americans in order to lower rich people's taxes to an historically low level. Idealists from 40 years ago are battling the same old Establishment today.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Fifty percent of voters surveyed randomly by landline telephone between July 27-Aug. 2 by Quinnipiac (Conn.) University said Obama would not deserve a second term in the election were held today.

meh
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[EL PRESIDENTE]

You must have made that up to illustrate what a delusion of grandeur is. Great imitation of what you're against. Very clever, pretending to have such a delusion yourself in the very next sentence after accusing others of it. Only someone batshit crazy could do that accidentally.

That's a criticism from the left. Surprising that you are disappointed. Someone on the right would be glad that he hasn't changed things. Someone not playing both sides like a game.

It's no ideal to kill tens of millions of Americans in order to lower rich people's taxes to an historically low level. Idealists from 40 years ago are battling the same old Establishment today.

make no mistake, I'm pleasantly surprised at Obama's inability to do things. Even though he'll likely be re-elected though.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

True, but some are bigger idiots than others. And several of them got elected to congress in 2010.

barfo

And in 2008.

 

[maxiep]

Thanks, Sly, for posting that exchange. It's interesting to me to see people try to understand something when they refuse to acknowledge the obvious idea. The Tea Party exists because people who have tried to just live their lives have finally been forced to deal with a government that has gotten too big, tries to do too much, is too inefficient and whose cost is unsustainable.

One of the reasons they're so easy to make fun of is that many have never been involved in politics before. A lot of them are simple people who are a bit hokey. And the reason they appear so implacable to many in Washington--who have gotten comfortable with splitting the difference--is they see a problem they deal with in their real lives (making a budget and sticking to it) and they see Washington deluding itself that it's making progress.

These aren't people who understand politics and compromise. They see a problem and want to fix it. To people inside the beltway, that kind of outlook is alien. We've already heard complaints from political analysts that the people recently elected have been "difficult to work with" because they don't care about committee assignments or even care about being re-elected. To people addicted to the power teet in Washington, these attitudes are bizarre indeed. It's no wonder the folks on MSNBC are searching for understanding. It's beyond their comprehension that we've actually run out of money.