Did KP really turn down this package at the deadline???

[yenniedn]

(Sorry if this was already covered; I didn't see any other threads on it.)

First of all, I'm NOT one of those who nearly slit my wrist that we didn't pull the trigger on a "major" trade at the deadline.

That said, Chad Ford said we had this offer on the table and KP turned it down:

1. Vince Carter, Nets
The Nets were very close to moving Carter at the deadline. How close? One source told me the Nets agreed to send two future firsts (Dallas' and Golden State's) along with Carter to the Blazers for Raef LaFrentz. The Blazers, however, turned them down.

Expect the Nets to pick up the trade talks again this summer. They need to clear Carter's salary off their books.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeWatch-090224

That can't be right; there had to be more that NJ was asking for. If not, that seems like a total no brainer deal for us??? WTF?

 

[THE HCP]

It is very hard for me to believe he wouldn't have pulled the trigger on that one! That probably came from the NETS camp trying to save face!

 

[hasoos]

If the offers was too good to be true, it probably was.

 

[yenniedn]

It is very hard for me to believe he wouldn't have pulled the trigger on that one! That probably came from the NETS camp trying to save face!

OR - as some would say on this forum, to make KP look like a douche bag

If the offers was too good to be true, it probably was.

Tru dat. There's NO WAY that offer (as is) was turned down by any halfway capable GM.

 

[MIXUM]

are you surprised? thats ok... all the pritchard supporters will see the next 4 games why he threw this team under teh bus this season.

but hey... wait till next year.

 

[yenniedn]

^^^I wish the ignore feature would also block people from posting in your threads

 

[GoBlazersGo]

There's no way Pritchard turned that deal down! Especially when the future picks would've been coming from Golden State (almost always a lotto pick) and Dallas (approaching lotto territory in the next few seasons, in my opinion).

United-States-Dollars-Owed-To-Vince-Carter-Over-The-Next-3-Years aside, that would've been an absolute steal for us, talent-wise!

 

[GoBlazersGo]

are you surprised? thats ok... all the pritchard supporters will see the next 4 games why he threw this team under teh bus this season.

Too bad he couldn't have throw you under "teh bus" with 'em!

 

[yenniedn]

Also from the article (of people likely to be traded in the summer):

4. Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw, Blazers
Blake and Outlaw are in a similar position to Stackhouse. Together they are slated to make $7.6 million next season. However, their salaries are not guaranteed for the season. That means a team could trade for Blake and Outlaw and, if they chose to waive them, would cut $7.6 million from their salaries. Both players have big roles on the Blazers, but Kevin Pritchard could be inclined to trade them if the package was sweet enough.

 

[MIXUM]

um but he wont. we dont wanna improve.... we wanna wait till next year. dont you know?

 

[e_blazer]

MIXUM, here's the thing I wonder about you: Do you root for the Blazers to win tonight so you can enjoy watching them improve, or do you root for them to lose so that you can be "right" in your eternally pessimistic posts here?

 

[GoBlazersGo]

MIXUM, here's the thing I wonder about you: Do you root for the Blazers to win tonight so you can enjoy watching them improve, or do you root for them to lose so that you can be "right" in your eternally pessimistic posts here?

Is this a serious question, e'? It's obviously the latter.

 

[yenniedn]

I wish you guys would stop quoting that bunghole. It's making my ignore feature fairly useless.

 

[Tortimer]

I don't know if KP turned that trade down or not but I told everyone all along that KP doesn't want anything to do with VC. He was just trying to get someone to bit on another offer he had out IMO. I do think that would be even enough for almost anyone to take even if they didn't want VC at all. I hope it was true and Thorn is fuming about not being able to get rid of VC. If that is true Thorn and NJ are going to have a hard time getting rid of VC this summer.

 

[MIXUM]

i will be very pleased if they win

 

[Tortimer]

One more thing should this site ban trolls? I tried the ignore and it didn't work because you would end up seeing almost all his posts anyway. I don't c re if people are negative if they are really trying to add something to the discussion but just trying to get everyone upset with bullshit just isn't right. I would go back to BBF if there was enough posters but most of the good posters are here so I'm stuck with trolls I guess.

 

[yenniedn]

I don't know if KP turned that trade down or not but I told everyone all along that KP doesn't want anything to do with VC. He was just trying to get someone to bit on another offer he had out IMO. I do think that would be even enough for almost anyone to take even if they didn't want VC at all. I hope it was true and Thorn is fuming about not being able to get rid of VC. If that is true Thorn and NJ are going to have a hard time getting rid of VC this summer.

While I appreciate your disdain for Thorn, it would be truly hard believe that KP doesn't do that trade blind-folded and with both hands tied behind his back. VC, like him or not, would have been good for this team for the next couple of years.

 

[blue32]

i'm starting not to visit here as much as i used too. this guy is making this place a total negative nancy, gripe, whine, bitch fest board.

 

[Tortimer]

While I appreciate your disdain for Thorn, it would be truly hard believe that KP doesn't do that trade blind-folded and with both hands tied behind his back. VC, like him or not, would have been good for this team for the next couple of years.

I don't think VC would have been that much for the Blazers but maybe. I know I would do that trade in a heartbeat and not look back. I was just saying I didn't think when I heard about the VC to Blazers rumors that there was anything to them at least not on KP and the Blazers side. I think KP was using them to try and get someone better for RLEC.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

^^^I wish the ignore feature would also block people from posting in your threads

The ignore feature is better than nothing, but it does have its flaws. I don't like to put people on ignore, because it makes the threads harder to read and understand. Besides, I want to hear peoples opinions and not filter our just those that I agree with.

That said, I think certain posters have completely crossed the line with their constant negativity. There is a difference with stating your opinions, and essentially trolling. It has certainly reduced the amount of time I spend on this board.

So I am stuck between using the ignore feature, which I don't like, and putting up with trolls. Thus far I would rather put up with the trolls, but either option is annoying.

If I was a regular at a bar or restaurant, and another regular was always there shouting and getting into fights...I wouldn't want to just "ignore" him, nor would I want to listen to him and put up with him. I would hope the bar manager would 86 him for the good of the establishment. Why doesn't that happen here?

 

[jwhoops11]

are you surprised? thats ok... all the pritchard supporters will see the next 4 games why he threw this team under teh bus this season.

but hey... wait till next year.

Hold on I just choked!!!

Generally I dismiss your posts as performance art and let them stay where they belong, as entertainment. I'm boggled right now though. Are you really suggesting that KP has done anything but a stellar job as the GM of the Blazers? Be upset that he didn't make a move at the deadline if you want, but as a Blazers fan you better be damn happy that KP is here. We suffered through to many years of John Nash, and his unbelievable crappiness, to ever question KP's direction for this teams future.

 

[yenniedn]

The ignore feature is better than nothing, but it does have its flaws. I don't like to put people on ignore, because it makes the threads harder to read and understand. Besides, I want to hear peoples opinions and not filter our just those that I agree with.

That said, I think certain posters have completely crossed the line with their constant negativity. There is a difference with stating your opinions, and essentially trolling. It has certainly reduced the amount of time I spend on this board.

So I am stuck between using the ignore feature, which I don't like, and putting up with trolls. Thus far I would rather put up with the trolls, but either option is annoying.

If I was a regular at a bar or restaurant, and another regular was always there shouting and getting into fights...I wouldn't want to just "ignore" him, nor would I want to listen to him and put up with him. I would hope the bar manager would 86 him for the good of the establishment. Why doesn't that happen here?

Ahhh, the million dollar question. I wish I knew as well. I think he's on the payroll and, therefore, is going nowhere anytime soon.

 

[HailBlazers]

Bottom line, we didn't want to trade our potential young stars Bayless and Batum. Trading them and adding some east coast vet would change our culture.

If you haven't figured this out yet, then your mom/girlfriend is a smarter blazer fan than you.

 

[yenniedn]

Bottom line, we didn't want to trade our potential young stars Bayless and Batum. Trading them and adding some east coast vet would change our culture.

If you haven't figured this out yet, then your mom/girlfriend is a smarter blazer fan than you.

But that trade had nothing to do with Batum or Bayless - so I'm not sure I understand your point?

It was VC + THEIR two future first rounders (GSW and Dallas) for nothing but Raef's contract. That's like best of all worlds and a total no-brainer - which makes it far too good to be true.

 

[Mediocre Man]

But that trade had nothing to do with Batum or Bayless - so I'm not sure I understand your point?

It was VC + THEIR two future first rounders (GSW and Dallas) for nothing but Raef's contract. That's like best of all worlds and a total no-brainer - which makes it far too good to be true.

You have to look at the big picture on this one.

Carter puts the team over the luxury tax by a large margain while he's here

Pritchard has shown in the last few drafts that he can simply buy first round picks for only 3 million apiece which is less than Carter would have cost Paul Allen.

 

[BlayZa]

mixum, there is no way you can believe ANY gm in the league would be stupid enough to turn down that deal... Carter AND TWO 1sts for RLEC ? that's fabricated....

im ok with criticising Pritch etc but c'mon now, LOOK at the offer - its far too good to be true.

 

[gambitnut]

You have to look at the big picture on this one.

Carter puts the team over the luxury tax by a large margain while he's here

Pritchard has shown in the last few drafts that he can simply buy first round picks for only 3 million apiece which is less than Carter would have cost Paul Allen.

It would also mean that we would only have the MLE this summer. Even with Miles, we should have more than that right now, and I'm sure we have a plan for how to use that space.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It would also mean that we would only have the MLE this summer. Even with Miles, we should have more than that right now, and I'm sure we have a plan for how to use that space.

Actually the MLE and the cap space with Raef , Channing and Fuffin is pretty close. about 1.5 more I think than the MLE.

 

[Boob-No-More]

are you surprised? thats ok... all the pritchard supporters will see the next 4 games why he threw this team under teh bus this season.

but hey... wait till next year.

Hey, look everybody... Steve Patterson is posting on our board.

Mixed-up Steve, I have just one word for you: subterfuge!

That's right. I went there.

subterfuge, subterfuge, subterfuge

BNM

 

[BrianFromWA]

mixum, there is no way you can believe ANY gm in the league would be stupid enough to turn down that deal... Carter AND TWO 1sts for RLEC ? that's fabricated....

im ok with criticising Pritch etc but c'mon now, LOOK at the offer - its far too good to be true.

I've thought about this a couple of different ways, and I could see KP turning this down.

One, big lux tax hit for PA in 2010-11. Not necessarily that I (or he) cares, but that's a big pill to swallow. You have to have something hurting really bad to get that down.

Second, maybe VC comes in and helps out immensely. Maybe not. I'm sure that KP and his team did all the number crunching and came up with the notion that while he might be ok for our team, he wouldn't solve all of our ills. And he has the big contract.

Third...the draft picks? Seriously? They'll cost KP 3M each in the next two drafts. MAYBE a trade exception. 6M for the picks, or 45-50M for the picks + VC for 2 years?

I'm not saying I would've turned it down, but there's a plausible case for why KP did, if this was reported accurately (which it probably is close, since multiple people have heard and reported it).