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They can’t move until 2030 right? Isn’t that when the lease ends?
2027 season will start soon. So 2030 isn't really terribly long away. Probably need a few years at a minimum to complete a move and would need at least a year to get another city to approve it prior to that, as well as NBA approval. Might actually make it difficult to complete by 2030.

So from a practical standpoint the Blazers can possibly start working to move immediately.
 
Actually complaining that Oregon is 49tj out of 50 in Corporate Tax Rate. SMH!
Seriously? That’s a knock on all the states that are lower if you ask me.
Corporate profits across the entire country are at record highs. I say those states lower better catch up.
Hell double it if you can.
 
Bill Oram at Olive has an article about Dundon and the renovation of the Lenovo Center in Raleigh where the NHL Hurricanes play. Oram spends his typical amount of time being snarky, but generally, it was reporting and there was some interesting tidbits in the article:

* "While Portland leaders contemplate an arena deal of their own with Dundon, Hurricanes officials are deep into a multi-year renovation project on the 27-year-old Lenovo Center. Baldwin, a Democrat who was the city’s mayor from 2019 to 2024, helped push through a $300 million funding package built entirely on hospitality and tourism taxes.

Dundon bought the Hurricanes from Peter Karneros in 2018 with six years remaining on the lease at the then-PNC Center. When he and Baldwin first started discussing renovations and a new lease, she laid out the road map.

She told him it was going to take three years to get to a deal. “He said, ‘What?’” Baldwin remembered.

She explained to him that government is not business, and the deal was complicated by the fact that it involved not just the city, county and state, but also North Carolina State University, whose football stadium also sits on the property.

“There has to be consensus,” she told him. “So I’m asking for time. It’s going to happen, but I need patience.”

so...3 years to complete a funding package....3 YEARS

for all of the people complaining about the speed of the Moda funding package, try to remember that the the Oregon legislature passed the Bill on March 6. That's less than 3 months ago

in other words, slow your roll. This was always going to take time. The easy lifting is done; that's the state backed bonds. The harder lifting is ahead and that's a city in the midst of dealing with a 170M budget shortfall that is taking priority.
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* "As part of the agreement in Raleigh, Dundon will invest at least $800 million in development around the Lenovo Center. The agreement calls for four phases of $200 million each in development. Dundon told The Oregonian/OregonLive last week that they will soon announce an office complex on the site.

Ultimately, Dundon and the Hurricanes committed to building an entertainment district around the suburban Lenovo Center, which is currently surrounded by nothing but blacktop. Dundon and the team pay annual rent and have contributed $10 million toward the up-front costs of the renovations. That $10 million represents barely 3% of the total project, but it’s still more than he has been willing to pay toward Moda Center.

In fact, none of those stipulations are in the deal in Portland.

Oregon lawmakers approved legislation earlier this year that authorized up to $365 million in bonding for the arena, backed by income taxes on Trail Blazers players and other high earners at the Moda Center, and established the state as a co-owner of the arena with the City of Portland. But those bonds can only be sold if the city and county contribute toward the project and a 20-year lease agreement is reached.

Why no rent? Why no private investment?

The deal’s advocates would point toward the arena’s history and say that Portland benefited from the arena for 30-plus years without a significant investment in its construction — just $34.5 million of the original $262 million cost — or in ongoing operation and maintenance. Paul Allen covered all of that
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The Moda cost 262M to build. The city contributed 34.5M to that cost; a little over 13%. But, the city also contributed the land the Moda is built on; or at least most of it. As part of the 2024 agreement when the city supposedly bought the Moda for one dollar, they also bought the small chunk of land the Blazers owned for 7.13M.

So, PA paid 228M for the Moda and paid for it's operations. However, he did profit from non-basketball events held at the Moda; and he was able to shelter some income with a depreciation exemption. So, both parties, the city and the Allen's benefited

basically, the city paid over 7M for a 30 year old building in desperate need of a major renovation. If the State, City, and county end up owning a 33 year old building they spent 600-700M on, will the building be worth 600-700M? And just how fast will a 33-year-old-building--->53-year-old-building actually depreciate in value?

but it sure sounds like Dundon is paying nothing; not even current or future rent. Maybe rent would be part of the required 20 year lease agreement but if it was on the agenda I'd think we would have heard about it; maybe not though as it's early stages.
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the Mayor and some members of the city council have seemed to be counting on dipping into the City's voter-approved Climate Fund. But some council members are opposed, one calling it a "non-starter":

* "Portland Mayor Keith Wilson’s push to divert dollars from the city’s one-of-a-kind climate tax to bankroll a renovation of the Moda Center faces significant public resistance, a recent poll commissioned by The Oregonian/OregonLive found.

Fifty-five percent of city voters said they are opposed to spending up to $75 million from the Portland Clean Energy Community Benefits Fund as part of a complex public financing deal deemed essential to keep the Trail Blazers from leaving town.

Just 37% of Portlanders polled by DHM Research between April 23 and 30 said they supported tapping into the cash-rich climate program to help cover the $120 million Wilson has pledged toward the project, which under existing plans would be solely funded by taxpayers
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in the middle of a budget crisis, if the city 'can't' back door some of the 120M from the climate fund, it's going to create an even bigger hurdle


 
Does anyone else find it kind of annoying how Oram has been on both sides of the fence here?
 
Does anyone else find it kind of annoying how Oram has been on both sides of the fence here?
I think that's just perception.....he's been so far over the line into panic & muckraking in chicken little's barnyard, when he takes a couple of steps toward rationality it seems like he's stepping over the fence when he's actually just shaking some shit off his shoes.
 
I think that's just perception.....he's been so far over the line into panic & muckraking in chicken little's barnyard, when he takes a couple of steps toward rationality it seems like he's stepping over the fence when he's actually just shaking some shit off his shoes.
This is probably my favorite post of yours ever! Well said!
 
The only people who make money in a gold rush are the shovel salesmen.
Actually an Irish madame who owned a bar and brothel in Alaska made some of the most money in the gold rush. She bought a chunk of San Francisco for her efforts. They said the gold dust under the floor boards alone was a huge fortune. Trading sex and booze and a hot bath for gold was a pretty lucrative business.
 
Actually an Irish madame who owned a bar and brothel in Alaska made some of the most money in the gold rush. She bought a chunk of San Francisco for her efforts. They said the gold dust under the floor boards alone was a huge fortune. Trading sex and booze and a hot bath for gold was a pretty lucrative business.
Paint your wagon… No Name City.
 
Actually complaining that Oregon is 49tj out of 50 in Corporate Tax Rate. SMH!
Seriously? That’s a knock on all the states that are lower if you ask me.
Corporate profits across the entire country are at record highs. I say those states lower better catch up.
Hell double it if you can.

I’m not sure that’s a knock on other states. Many states are happy to attract new corporations with lower tax rates because the economic benefits can outweigh the reduced corporate tax revenue. New businesses create high-paying jobs, increase consumer spending, and expand the overall tax base, generating additional revenue for local governments and supporting broader economic growth.
 
I’m not sure that’s a knock on other states. Many states are happy to attract new corporations with lower tax rates because the economic benefits can outweigh the reduced corporate tax revenue. New businesses create high-paying jobs, increase consumer spending, and expand the overall tax base, generating additional revenue for local governments and supporting broader economic growth.
Go look at earnings reports for the top 1000 corporations in the country and tell me they need tax breaks.
 
That is irrelevant. Corporations will locate where they get the best deal.
Exactly my point. If more states taxed them equally then there would be more $$$ to go around for everyone. Not just Billionaires.
Corporations are flocking to states with the best tax rates but it's not helping the poorest. Those very same states ask for the most in Federal assistance.
So even though this is what people hope happens vvvvvvv
New businesses create high-paying jobs, increase consumer spending, and expand the overall tax base, generating additional revenue for local governments and supporting broader economic growth.
What is really happening is those High paying jobs are more scarce than originally though and sold to locals. The overall tax base only increases marginally and corporate profits continue to rise. While North Carolina, Missouri and North Dakota continue to offer the best tax rates they continue to also be in the top 20 for federal assistance. North Carolina with it's 2.9% rate sits at #9 out of 50.
 
I’m not sure that’s a knock on other states. Many states are happy to attract new corporations with lower tax rates because the economic benefits can outweigh the reduced corporate tax revenue. New businesses create high-paying jobs, increase consumer spending, and expand the overall tax base, generating additional revenue for local governments and supporting broader economic growth.
Well true, but that doesn't appease people who think most businesses trying to earn a profit are inherently evil.
 
Go look at earnings reports for the top 1000 corporations in the country and tell me they need tax breaks.
How many of those top1000 corporations have started in Oregon in the last few decades?

It's just not a business friendly state. Even besides taxes, a lot of rules and regulations that are inefficient.
 
Well true, but that doesn't appease people who think most businesses trying to earn a profit are inherently evil.
They are if they don't give a shit about people and want to cut workers in order to pay CEOs more. Income inequality continues to rise and many CEOs continue to increase their compensation.
Sad a man that had it right had his cherished store get closed down.

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Exactly my point. If more states taxed them equally then there would be more $$$ to go around for everyone. Not just Billionaires.
Corporations are flocking to states with the best tax rates but it's not helping the poorest. Those very same states ask for the most in Federal assistance.
So even though this is what people hope happens vvvvvvv

What is really happening is those High paying jobs are more scarce than originally though and sold to locals. The overall tax base only increases marginally and corporate profits continue to rise. While North Carolina, Missouri and North Dakota continue to offer the best tax rates they continue to also be in the top 20 for federal assistance. North Carolina with it's 2.9% rate sits at #9 out of 50.
If all states had higher taxes you also might see more businesses leave the country.

Now if your point is to tax businesses instead of individuals, then fine. But Oregon taxes both highly. Meanwhile Oregon gets $0 sales tax from all the luxury spenders, travelers, etc that are totally willing to pay a very high tax. Just seems like a stupid way of running a state.
 
Exactly my point. If more states taxed them equally then there would be more $$$ to go around for everyone. Not just Billionaires.
Corporations are flocking to states with the best tax rates but it's not helping the poorest. Those very same states ask for the most in Federal assistance.
So even though this is what people hope happens vvvvvvv

What is really happening is those High paying jobs are more scarce than originally though and sold to locals. The overall tax base only increases marginally and corporate profits continue to rise. While North Carolina, Missouri and North Dakota continue to offer the best tax rates they continue to also be in the top 20 for federal assistance. North Carolina with it's 2.9% rate sits at #9 out of 50.
States set their own tax rates so I see little chance of say Alabama raising their tax rates because Oregon told them to.
 
States set their own tax rates so I see little chance of say Alabama raising their tax rates because Oregon told them to.
Lol who wants to live in Alabama? Businesses need to be able to recruit talented people too. Good luck doing that in Alabama.
 
They are if they don't give a shit about people and want to cut workers in order to pay CEOs more. Income inequality continues to rise and many CEOs continue to increase their compensation.
Sad a man that had it right had his cherished store get closed down.
CEO provide a ton of value. Many leave often to work for other businesses and are in high demand.

If employees are providing way more value than compensated they can go form a new business. Happens all the time.

More often I see a lot of people that want handouts and to complain about how their being held back. Plenty of great job opportunities out there if one wants to work.

Doesn't take any money to start a painting business, move to higher paying trades eventually, start a property management company etc. Takes a lot of work though and there are no free handouts. Very easy to make six figures.
 
CEO provide a ton of value. Many leave often to work for other businesses and are in high demand.

If employees are providing way more value than compensated they can go form a new business. Happens all the time.

More often I see a lot of people that want handouts and to complain about how their being held back. Plenty of great job opportunities out there if one wants to work.

Doesn't take any money to start a painting business, move to higher paying trades eventually, start a property management company etc. Takes a lot of work though and there are no free handouts. Very easy to make six figures.
Lol CEOs have always gotten paid more than workers. Just not 5,000 times more than workers. Until now. That is completely unnecessary. They do not provide that much more value than workers.
 
Lol who wants to live in Alabama? Businesses need to be able to recruit talented people too. Good luck doing that in Alabama.
See that is kind of a point also. But to be fair here Oregon has taxed people and business way too much.
 
See that is kind of a point also. But to be fair here Oregon has taxed people and business way too much.
Oregon taxes with market based sourcing. Just because a business is located in Oregon doesn't mean everything gets taxed there. Just the same as if someone is headquartered elsewhere. Most states have gone that way.
 

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