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I have nowhere better to post this
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I see what you did there.
 
Minstrel's quote said:
Over the years, she has claimed that it was a romantic view of capitalism that drew her to the Republican Party — and then the party's infidelity to market principles drove her from it ...
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I semi-get this, as it's part of my dissatisfaction with the (R)s of the last half-decade or so. But championing Hillary because you don't like that (R)s aren't following capitalistic principles? It's not far from me hating the actions of the commander-in-chief, so I join Castro's Cuban Army.

Whether or not I'm a traitor or conscientious objector, Castro has very few values that should be adhered to for someone with a worldview of duty and service to country and Might For Right. And if you believe in the free market and hate globalized services with government-mandated monopolies, and yet campaign for the ACA, I don't know what to say. 🤷
 
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BrianFromWA said:
And if you believe in the free market and hate globalized services with government-mandated monopolies, and yet campaign for the ACA, I don't know what to say. 🤷
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I mean, it's fairly obvious that the ACA is not what she'd design herself, but it vastly increased access to health care for the poor and lower middle class, due to taking away insurance companies' ability to charge much more the older and sicker you were, direct subsidies for those who earn under some percentage above the poverty line and due to the Medicare expansion. Republicans like to make hay with the dishonest "It's a corporate give-away!" talking point, due to the CSR (cost sharing reduction) payments from the government to the insurance companies--but those payments are the subsidies that make health insurance cheaper for individuals. Covering older and sicker people for around the same rates as younger and healthier people wouldn't be possible for insurance companies without the government paying the difference. Ultimately, it's government paying for people's insurance or, at least, paying down people's insurance rates.

So there's a huge amount of benefit to the people Warren wants to protect. It's not at all hypocritical or cognitively dissonant for her to campaign for the ACA not to be dismantled in favor of tax cuts for the rich (which was the preferred end game for Ryan and McConnell--they mostly wanted to make steep cuts in the Medicaid expansion to create "revenue" to fund tax cuts for the top earners--if it was done in a revenue-neutral manner, they'd be permanent rather than automatically sunsetting after 10 years like the Bush tax cuts).
 
Denny Crane said:
Accept it.
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I don't take direct orders since leaving the military, but I accepted the state of the union as soon as he won....has nothing to do with my lack of trust or respect for Donald Trump and his bad choices....you seem to be completely buying into his snake oil stocks though....strangely
 
riverman said:
I don't take direct orders since leaving the military, but I accepted the state of the union as soon as he won....has nothing to do with my lack of trust or respect for Donald Trump and his bad choices....you seem to be completely buying into his snake oil stocks though....strangely
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You have no real choice but accept it. All the whining in the world isn't getting rid of the guy.
 
Denny Crane said:
All the whining in the world
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This is very Trumpish..it's his childish way of addressing anything adults voice concern over......I will not sit back and be silent....that's what authoritarian leaders demand of their subjects....America doesn't work that way
 
riverman said:
This is very Trumpish..it's his childish way of addressing anything adults voice concern over......I will not sit back and be silent....that's what authoritarian leaders demand of their subjects....America doesn't work that way
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In Denny's concept of (Internet) libertarian philosophy, you never question your elected leaders, because that's "whining." To his way of thinking, American freedom means bending the knee and shutting up--as long as the President is Republican.
 
riverman said:
I have many choices...and I can represent my views everyday about Trump just like you voice yours about Hillary...non stop
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Go for it. Hiliar isn't president and is liked even less than Trump. Oddly, we got the one candidate who was disliked the least, even to this day. Trump is still president, Hiliar isn't. It is what it is, and changing that outcome would be a coup d'etat.
 
Minstrel said:
In Denny's concept of (Internet) libertarian philosophy, you never question your elected leaders, because that's "whining." To his way of thinking, American freedom means bending the knee and shutting up--as long as the President is Republican.
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There you go again. Attributing things I don't say to me.

Just LOL, you try so hard but fail so transparently.
 
riverman said:
look up the verb judging, then look up quoting.....I know you have a dictionary....not quite the same thing eh?
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He's proving to be a laughing stock with his strawman arguments. I don't even bother to refute them, they're that silly.

To judge on a strawman argument? That's the laughable part.
 
Situation, problem, process, solution.....time to get on with the process ....unfortunately we're really mired in snowballing problems fueled by a guy who likes to use problems as excuses, not tasks
 
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