Enough with the Garza crap

[Messiah717]

The Rangers gave up two guys playing terribly in the minors and a potentially good arm. If the Yankees gave up Cano for a package like that there would of been a revolt. Furthermore you cannot compare what pitchers bring at the deadline compared to position players.

 

[Yblue]

Hes a free agent after this year and the cubs landed 4-5 players for him. One of them was rankied i believe in the top 25 in MLB and was one of texas's top prospects. I am not trying to compare apples to oranges, but no impact player like Cano was moved, so its tough to say what he would have got. All i am saying is that garza and peavy moved and got some pretty good returns. They are hardly considered top flight in terms of their position. Cano is. The yankees are between a rock and a hard place here. They may have to choose to overpay him to stay (think 7-8-9 years), or they see him walk away and get nothing in return. I think at some point during the dealine period, the yankees should have realized they were not going to be able to trade out of the mess they are in for 2013, soriano was not enough, and changed course to sell mode vs buy mode. I know its unthinkable for the yankees to do so, but if you look at the state of the farm system, it isnt helping anytime soon. And even some of the low level guys people were excited about are dropping off now too. The yankees really needed to rethink their directly, IMO, to better the furture. Now you have what you have in 2013 and you still have no help on the way for the near future from the farm. Its just not an ideal situation. You could stomach the down years if you knew some hope was on the horizon. Its just bleak rght now, and you look at the free agent class, and you realize it could be bleak for a while.

 

[RustySpan]

Agreed, apples and oranges, also where is the team that fits the need for a Cano that has the chips to offer? maybe they did shop him quietly and didn't find a match? you guys are assuming a lot with this lack of selling chant.

 

[Yblue]

Agreed, apples and oranges, also where is the team that fits the need for a Cano that has the chips to offer? maybe they did shop him quietly and didn't find a match? you guys are assuming a lot with this lack of selling chant.

What contender would not be interested in the leagues best 2nd baseman? I dont think finding the match would have been the issue, it was deciding to part with him. Sure maybe they did so quietly and didnt see a deal that worked for them. Fine, thats a benefit of the doubt i dont give this front office because i dont think they think that way. But as i said, its possible.

But its not just cano. There is Kuroda too. Selling is not too much to ask, teams do it all the time. Just not the yankees. But the circumstances may have been right for it this year. Anyone could see this was no contender, and many more moves besides Soriano would have been needed to fix that. I heard no rumors or rumbles at all about the yankees trying to sell off pieces besides listening to offers on Hughes. I just think given the state of the farm, they needed some replenishment somewhere, but as you said they just werent ready. False hope.

 

[vette322]

Agreed, apples and oranges, also where is the team that fits the need for a Cano that has the chips to offer? maybe they did shop him quietly and didn't find a match? you guys are assuming a lot with this lack of selling chant.

I seriously doubt that if Cano and Kuroda were made available - that the Yankees would not have received some very enticing proposals from contending teams. It's obviously clear that with the acquisition of Soriano, and Cashman in admitted buy-mode on Michael Young - he made no effort to put Cano and Kuroda in play and gauge their market value.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Doesn't Kuroda want to return to Japan nest season and pitch a final year there?

 

[vette322]

Doesn't Kuroda want to return to Japan nest season and pitch a final year there?

By all accounts, that's his plan. But for a contending team that's in it to win this year - Kuroda would be a great option to start a Game 1 or Game 2 of a playoff series.

It's becoming pretty clear there aren't gonna be any playoff games for him to start with this team in October.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Brian Kenny is somewhat of a nerd, doesn't play between the lines, but he put out numbers information yesterday that showed he was actually better than Scherzer. That was counteracted by yeah but Scherzer will probably win 21 games. I think the sabermetrics guys are right wins are a team stat. Kuroda has been an ace for this team all year, not his fault that his team mates did not support him. I remember during the '67 season when the Yankees sent Elston Howard to Boston and he got one last crack at a World Series. In the case of Kuroda and Mo I think the old Ken Griffey quote from '94 applies, they picked bad years to have a good year. Kuroda turned down offers from the Angels to come back and look what Cashman provided.

 

[Majorball]

There was no way to predict this year once all the injuries and re-injuries occurred, now that it has happened the organization has to see this a preview of things to come. In other words, stop falling in love with your product, or if you are a child of the 70's, don't get Hi on your own supply!