ESPN 2021-22 Player Rank

[SharpesTriumph]

Here are the NBA player ranks released so far from ESPN;

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32239384/nbarank-2021-ranking-best-players-2021-22-100-51
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32244615/nbarank-2021-ranking-best-players-2021-22-50-26

Utah and Atlanta have 6 players in the top 100, Portland has 5, and 13 teams have 4.

EDIT see lists in posts 9-12 below.

Here are the prior discussions in the around the NBA thread
http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/5233286/

notice that Norm Powell is ranked 100. Then, look at the players ahead of him (RoCo 89; Nurkic 74)

Looks like Nance didn't make it, he just sneaked into SI top 100 list.

Still pretty impressive the Blazers have 5 players in the top 100. I wonder how many teams have all of their starters on the list, I wouldn't think many.

Theoretically, you could have up to 20 teams.
Without going through the list, I'd guess there are 7-8 teams that have have 5-guys in the top 100.

That would mean 10 teams have 0 players..... How many teams don't have two top 100 players.... I wouldn't think more than a couple teams.

I searched through the list.

All the lottery teams except the Thunder and maybe the Magic have multiple players in the top 100.

So I think it will be very rare to have 5 starters in the top 100.

I don't think it means much of anything to have 5 players in the top-100. In the NBA what matters is if you have 2-3 players in the top-20 or so

Alright! Who's gonna be the NERD and figure out how many other teams have all five starters in the top 100 and which teams they are?

Then of course someone has to find this out for the Lakers at the very least?

Last year Milwaukee didn't have a second top20 guy, nor Toronto a few years prior. Phoenix last year might not have had any top 20 player, but did have 5 quality starters. The Blazers have Dame who is pretty dang high.

Years ago teams like the Detroit Pistons won a title without multiple or possibly even any top 20 guy but with a very strong 5th starter. The 2011 Mavs only had Dirk and probably not five players in the top100 but were deep up to 8 good men. So teams can win a title without multiple superstars and with a variety of roster constructions.

Now I agree ideally it would be best to get another top20 player... but of course that is much easier said than done.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you're going to list Kawhi as a top 25 despite his apparent exclusion, you probably should also include Jamal Murray in Denver's list as at least top 50.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If you're going to list Kawhi as a top 25 despite his apparent exclusion, you probably should also include Jamal Murray in Denver's list as at least top 50.

Good point I forgot about Murray.

I wasn't trying to make my own top25 list, I was trying to project ESPNs and it appears they removed Kawhi but I listed him because I wasn't certain.

 

[wizenheimer]

I was trying to project ESPNs....

you might need to be on peyote to land anywhere near where espn will

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Good point I forgot about Murray.

I wasn't trying to make my own top25 list, I was trying to project ESPNs and it appears they removed Kawhi but I listed him because I wasn't certain.

I get it, your logic made sense to me.

 

[Shaboid]

SI puts Dame at #11. What a load.

 

[JDC]

SI puts Dame at #11. What a load.

I think you can make a pretty easy argument for 10-11 guys ahead of him.

Especially if his defense continues to decline.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Butler was ranked 14th and he carried Miami to the finals... most players around the top10 can do that if they have the right teammates, situations, and a bit of luck.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

They released 25-6

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32249592/nbarank-2021-ranking-best-players-2021-22-25-6

Rank Player Team
1 Durant BRK
2 Antetokounmpo MIL
3 James LAL
4 Doncic DAL
5 Curry GSW
6 Jokic DEN
7 Embiid PHI
8 Lillard PDX
9 Davis LAL
10 Harden BRK
11 Beal WSH
12 George LAC
13 Paul PHX
14 Tatum BOS
15 Booker PHX
16 Butler MIA
17 Young ATL
18 Mitchell UTH
19 Middleton MIL
20 Irving BRK
21 Adebayo MIA
22 Holiday MIL
23 Williams NOP
24 Towns MIN
25 Gobert UTH
26 Ingram NOP
27 Brown BOS
28 Simmons PHI
29 Westbrook LAL
30 McCollum PDX
31 Morant MEM
32 Thompson GSW
33 LaVine CHI
34 Fox SAC
35 Ayton PHX
36 Gilgeous-Alexander OKC
37 Green GSW
38 Siakam TOR
39 Vucevic CHI
40 Sabonis IND
41 Porter DEN
42 Randle NYK
43 Lowry MIA
44 Turner IND
45 DeRozan CHI
46 Harris PHI
47 Ball CHA
48 Conley UTH
49 Smart BOS
50 Porzingis DAL
51 Hield SAC
52 Edwards MIN
53 Grant DET
54 Collins ATL
55 Capela ATL
56 VanVleet TOR
57 Ball CHI
58 Hayward CHA
59 Sexton CLE
60 Wood HOU
61 Allen CLE
62 Ingles UTH
63 Russell MIN
64 Bogdanovic ATL
65 Brogdon IND
66 Bridges PHX
67 Bogdanovic UTH
68 Dinwiddle WSH
69 Gordon DEN
70 Walker NYK
71 Jackson MEM
72 Anunoby TOR
73 Haliburton SAC
74 Nurkic PDX
75 Harris BRK
76 Cunningham DET
77 Wiggins GSW
78 Brooks MEM
79 Hardaway DAL
80 LaVert IND
81 Rozier CHA
82 Markkanen CLE
83 Murray SAS
84 Garland CLE
85 Wall HOU
86 Graham NOP
87 Bridges CHA
88 Curry PHI
89 Covington PDX
90 Clarkson UTH
91 Rose NYK
92 Robinson MIA
93 Robinson NYK
94 Valanciunas NOP
95 Huerter ATL
96 Green HOU
97 Barton DEN
98 Adams MEM
99 Gallinari ATL
100 Powell PDX

 

[SharpesTriumph]

sorted by team

Rank Player Team
17 Young ATL
54 Collins ATL
55 Capela ATL
64 Bogdanovic ATL
95 Huerter ATL
99 Gallinari ATL
14 Tatum BOS
27 Brown BOS
49 Smart BOS
10 Harden BRK
20 Irving BRK
75 Harris BRK
1 Durant BRK
47 Ball CHA
58 Hayward CHA
81 Rozier CHA
87 Bridges CHA
33 LaVine CHI
39 Vucevic CHI
45 DeRozan CHI
57 Ball CHI
59 Sexton CLE
61 Allen CLE
82 Markkanen CLE
84 Garland CLE
50 Porzingis DAL
79 Hardaway DAL
4 Doncic DAL
6 Jokic DEN
41 Porter DEN
69 Gordon DEN
97 Barton DEN
53 Grant DET
76 Cunningham DET
32 Thompson GSW
37 Green GSW
77 Wiggins GSW
5 Curry GSW
60 Wood HOU
85 Wall HOU
96 Green HOU
40 Sabonis IND
44 Turner IND
65 Brogdon IND
80 LaVert IND
12 George LAC
9 Davis LAL
29 Westbrook LAL
3 James LAL
31 Morant MEM
71 Jackson MEM
78 Brooks MEM
98 Adams MEM
16 Butler MIA
21 Adebayo MIA
43 Lowry MIA
92 Robinson MIA
19 Middleton MIL
22 Holiday MIL
2 Antetokounmpo MIL
24 Towns MIN
52 Edwards MIN
63 Russell MIN
23 Williams NOP
26 Ingram NOP
86 Graham NOP
94 Valanciunas NOP
42 Randle NYK
70 Walker NYK
91 Rose NYK
93 Robinson NYK
36 Gilgeous-Alexander OKC
8 Lillard PDX
30 McCollum PDX
74 Nurkic PDX
89 Covington PDX
100 Powell PDX
7 Embiid PHI
28 Simmons PHI
46 Harris PHI
88 Curry PHI
13 Paul PHX
15 Booker PHX
35 Ayton PHX
66 Bridges PHX
34 Fox SAC
51 Hield SAC
73 Haliburton SAC
83 Murray SAS
38 Siakam TOR
56 VanVleet TOR
72 Anunoby TOR
18 Mitchell UTH
25 Gobert UTH
48 Conley UTH
62 Ingles UTH
67 Bogdanovic UTH
90 Clarkson UTH
11 Beal WSH
68 Dinwiddle WSH

 

[SharpesTriumph]

# of top100 players on each team;

UTH 6
ATL 6
PDX 5
NOP 4
CHA 4
BRK 4
CLE 4
MIA 4
NYK 4
CHI 4
PHI 4
DEN 4
PHX 4
GSW 4
IND 4
MEM 4
DAL 3
SAC 3
MIL 3
MIN 3
TOR 3
HOU 3
BOS 3
LAL 3
DET 2
WSH 2
LAC 1
SAS 1
OKC 1

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Team - Average ranking of top 100 player - # of top 100 players

LAC 12.0 1
LAL 13.7 3
MIL 14.3 3
BRK 26.5 4
BOS 30.0 3
PHX 32.3 4
OKC 36.0 1
GSW 37.8 4
WSH 39.5 2
PHI 42.3 4
MIA 43.0 4
CHI 43.5 4
DAL 44.3 3
MIN 46.3 3
UTH 51.7 6
SAC 52.7 3
DEN 53.3 4
TOR 55.3 3
IND 57.3 4
NOP 57.3 4
PDX 60.2 5
ATL 64.0 6
DET 64.5 2
CHA 68.3 4
MEM 69.5 4
CLE 71.5 4
NYK 74.0 4
HOU 80.3 3
SAS 83.0 1

 

[THE HCP]

SI puts Dame at #11. What a load.

You don't think there are 10 players better than Dame in the league?

 

[Shaboid]

You don't think there are 10 players better than Dame in the league?

I'm probably just a homer for Dame. That cool with you?

 

[wizenheimer]

You don't think there are 10 players better than Dame in the league?

Giannis
Durant
Curry
Lebron (will turn 37 this year and has missed 60 games the last 3 seasons)
Harden
Jokic (Dame outplayed him in the playoffs; his teammates let him down)

AD - can't stay healthy
Kawhi - is hurt again
Doncic - debatable

if durability means anything, no, there's are not 10 players better

 

[THE HCP]

I'm probably just a homer for Dame. That cool with you?

I've always understood homerism, don't respect it, but understand it. On a side note, the list I just looked at on ESPN had Dame at #8, 2 spots ahead of Harden at 10. And if anybody has any reason to gripe it's Kyrie. They have HIM at 20 and Beal at 11?????!!!?? Fuck outta' here with that!

 

[GDiama]

Giannis
Durant
Curry
Lebron (will turn 37 this year and has missed 60 games the last 3 seasons)
Harden
Jokic (Dame outplayed him in the playoffs; his teammates let him down)

AD - can't stay healthy
Kawhi - is hurt again
Doncic - debatable

if durability means anything, no, there's are not 10 players better

Embiid is at this level as well. It's a coin toss between most of those.

 

[illmatic99]

. And if anybody has any reason to gripe it's Kyrie. They have HIM at 20 and Beal at 11?????!!!?? Fuck outta' here with that!

Why? I'd take Beal ahead of Kyrie every day of the weak just because of availability and culture reasons alone. Kyrie is more efficient, but put Beal next to the guys Irving has played with (Tatum/KD/Harden/Lebron/etc) and I'm sure you'd see the same from Brad.

 

[Shaboid]

I've always understood homerism, don't respect it, but understand it. On a side note, the list I just looked at on ESPN had Dame at #8, 2 spots ahead of Harden at 10. And if anybody has any reason to gripe it's Kyrie. They have HIM at 20 and Beal at 11?????!!!?? Fuck outta' here with that!

"Respect" coming from a lakers fan. Pffft

 

[THE HCP]

Why? I'd take Beal ahead of Kyrie every day of the weak just because of availability and culture reasons alone. Kyrie is more efficient, but put Beal next to the guys Irving has played with (Tatum/KD/Harden/Lebron/etc) and I'm sure you'd see the same from Brad.

I don't feel like Beal is half the player Kyrie is. Just a feeling.

 

[Shaboid]

I don't feel like Beal is half the player Kyrie is. Just a feeling.

I've always understood feeling, don't respect it, but understand it.

 

[THE HCP]

"Respect" coming from a lakers fan. Pffft

I don't think ones allegiance to a team should cloud their common sense is all.

 

[Shaboid]

I don't think ones allegiance to a team should cloud their common sense is all.

Except it isn't common sense. An argument could be made that Dame is a top 10 NBA player and I'm in that camp. You don't respect that, whatever, not gonna keep me up at night.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I updated posts #9-12 now that top 5 were released

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Who dropped in the rankings the most?


Rank Player Team PY Change
80 LaVert IND 46 34
89 Covington PDX 60 29
71 Jackson MEM 43 28
98 Adams MEM 70 28
65 Brogdon IND 39 26
70 Walker NYK 48 22
74 Nurkic PDX 53 21
68 Dinwiddle WSH 49 19
92 Robinson MIA 75 17
56 VanVleet TOR 40 16
38 Siakam TOR 24 14
99 Gallinari ATL 85 14
43 Lowry MIA 30 13
28 Simmons PHI 16 12
49 Smart BOS 37 12

Note, I didn't pull last years list, which would have additional names of who fell out of the top100. This is only players still in the top100.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Players that jumped up the most spots. If not ranked in the prior year I used rank of 100.

Rank Player Team PY Change
32 Thompson GSW NR 68
42 Randle NYK NR 58
47 Ball CHA NR 53
52 Edwards MIN NR 48
55 Capela ATL NR 45
59 Sexton CLE NR 41
45 DeRozan CHI 82 37
51 Hield SAC 87 36
53 Grant DET 88 35
61 Allen CLE 96 35
66 Bridges PHX NR 34
44 Turner IND 74 30
54 Collins ATL 84 30
62 Ingles UTH 89 27
73 Haliburton SAC NR 27
75 Harris BRK 100 25
76 Cunningham DET NR 24
33 LaVine CHI 56 23
48 Conley UTH 71 23
77 Wiggins GSW NR 23
78 Brooks MEM NR 22
79 Hardaway DAL NR 21