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Dunno who Kate Brown was. Looked her up. She looks exactly like I thought she would.
 
Your thread title is very confusing. It makes it sound like the Blazers don't have fans. I know it can seem that way sometimes on this board...
 
makes no since.....she hedged on testing aggressively early on, and she put seniors on the back burner, so all teachers could go first with vaccines, and now refuses to allow fans. There is a decent % of fans that have been vaccinated so why couldnt they just show their card, wear a mask inside and limit capacity?
 
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UofO's spring football game was scheduled to have fans until Lane County received an elevated threat status. The fans would have been outside, with social distancing. And yeah, there easily could have been a requirement to show vaccination cards, although that wouldn't necessarily have been for staff, workers, & security.

some things to consider:

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I think OHSU is fairly credible on this so there is at least a foundation for some restrictions

but there is also this, which I find a little irritating:

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https://www.oregonlive.com/news/202...hundreds-in-oregon-i-chose-to-save-lives.html

basically saying that vaccinated people are going to be punished because the state & health care providers are somehow failing minority communities. That's weak sauce, and IMO, not only fails on basic logic, also fails on the vague equity test that they claim to be applying. That part of the article had my bullshit detector in 5-alarm mode
 
wizenheimer said:
UofO's spring football game was scheduled to have fans until Lane County received an elevated threat status. The fans would have been outside, with social distancing. And yeah, there easily could have been a requirement to show vaccination cards, although that wouldn't necessarily have been for staff, workers, & security.

some things to consider:

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I think OHSU is fairly credible on this so there is at least a foundation for some restrictions

but there is also this, which I find a little irritating:

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https://www.oregonlive.com/news/202...hundreds-in-oregon-i-chose-to-save-lives.html

basically saying that vaccinated people are going to be punished because the state & health care providers are somehow failing minority communities. That's weak sauce, and IMO, not only fails on basic logic, also fails on the vague equity test that they claim to be applying. That part of the article had my bullshit detector in 5-alarm mode
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Agreed. Aren't Hispanic and African Americans more skeptical of vaccines than other populations as well? Couldn't that help explain the difference (at least partially)? And if so, wouldn't more incentive to get vaccinated be a good thing?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Agreed. Aren't Hispanic and African Americans more skeptical of vaccines than other populations as well? Couldn't that help explain the difference (at least partially)? And if so, wouldn't more incentive to get vaccinated be a good thing?
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yes to all your questions

Oregon is doing extremely well compared to other states. We have the 3rd lowest case rate and of the two states better, one (Hawaii) is an island, and the other (Vermont) has 1/7th the population of Oregon. Oregon also has the 5th lowest death rate. Some of the credit for that goes to the Governor, although I do think there's a lot less science skepticism in this state than others

at the same time, the case rate has been climbing fast in Oregon:

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that isn't where we should be...at all. That's not good

the one-week average of new hospitalizations looks a little better:

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it's trending down but it's pretty obvious that data is prone to huge spikes and it's important to control hospitalizations

bottom line is a think Brown's actions have justification, at least in terms of imposing certain restrictions. I don't fault her for that even though I know there's lots of Covid fatigue out there

it's just that her justification for not using vaccination proof for a reduced level of restrictions is bullshit. Worse, is that it is so easily recognizable as left wing bullshit and I say that as somebody who is left wing
 
wizenheimer said:
basically saying that vaccinated people are going to be punished because the state & health care providers are somehow failing minority communities. That's weak sauce, and IMO, not only fails on basic logic, also fails on the vague equity test that they claim to be applying. That part of the article had my bullshit detector in 5-alarm mode
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Welcome to the overly PC-era, where saying anything neutral is anti-minority. Everyone's scared of the backlash these days, because it's acceptable for the backlash to be riddled with hate. It's safe to be anti-majority.

Never mind the fact that a decent percentage of the Hispanic community is undocumented and does not want to be identified. Yeah, sure, drag everyone else down because of that sub-group's effect on the percentages. Notice the 1.7% vs 2.2% figures for Blacks are significantly less distorted than the 7% vs 13% figures for Hispanics? Vaccine is a small-yet-overstated part of the story.

The above is stated with zero political or ethnic intent.
 
The default should be the most freedom possible with the least economic harm. Allowing vaccinated people to help the economy is not, and should not be racially charged. If you need to change a vaccination policy or location to make it more accessible to given populations that's how you address it.

And that would work far better if there were increased incentive to actually get fully vaccinated.

You know, like being able to get back to normal life once you've been fully vaccinated.
 
Along with vaccinations, testing continues and doctors are seeing more patience. Antibody test are happening too. My doc told me numbers of cases are increasing as its much easier now to get testing and if we had more aggressive testing early on the numbers would have reflected it. We were essentially behind as we were with vaccines too.
 
Scalma said:
damn, guess every other state only cares about business. What a hero.
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She certainly could have by allowing seniors to be vaccinated before teachers. They should have done seniors including teachers over 60 or younger w/underlying conditions.
 
Those in here bellyaching about getting to go to a ball game sound ridiculous. Two months ago COVID was killing more people than cancer. If it seems that this state is operating out of an overabundance of cation maybe that's because it is but maybe that's why Oregon has had the fifth lowest deaths per capita due to COVID.

The states doing better are all rural Alaska, Vermont, and Maine have no real metro areas and Hawaii just has Honolulu but it's been far stricter than Oregon. I guess it comes down to how you measure success, lives saved or ball games attended.
 
blazerkor said:
Those in here bellyaching about getting to go to a ball game sound ridiculous. Two months ago COVID was killing more people than cancer. If it seems that this state is operating out of an overabundance of cation maybe that's because it is but maybe that's why Oregon has had the fifth lowest deaths per capita due to COVID.

The states doing better are all rural Alaska, Vermont, and Maine have no real metro areas and Hawaii just has Honolulu but it's been far stricter than Oregon. I guess it comes down to how you measure success, lives saved or ball games attended.
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So the CDC is wrong about outdoor activities, and Brown is the only Gov smart enough to know that? (I am referring to the Spring football game)
 
handiman said:
I haven't gone looking for that info, but I've been expecting it to be a thing... That underscores the need for a better, more centralized method for testing and vaccination, which would serve the double purpose of meaningful verification.
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The issue with that is any centralized system could be considered the government to be forcing citizens to take experimental vaccines. That shit was banned with the Nuremberg Code of 1947 after the Nazis spent years forcing their prisoners to take experimental vaccines and medicines.

Until the vaccines go through the entire FDA-approval process for general use, it considered in the experimental phase and US governments can’t force citizens to take it, which is why there is such a government/media push to get more people to volunteer for it. If they could, they would have forced it but war crimes aren’t a good look.
 
The Kentucky Derby was at full capacity and more people weren’t wearing masks than people that were wearing masks.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
The issue with that is any centralized system could be considered the government to be forcing citizens to take experimental vaccines. That shit was banned with the Nuremberg Code of 1947 after the Nazis spent years forcing their prisoners to take experimental vaccines and medicines.

Until the vaccines go through the entire FDA-approval process for general use, it considered in the experimental phase and US governments can’t force citizens to take it, which is why there is such a government/media push to get more people to volunteer for it. If they could, they would have forced it but war crimes aren’t a good look.
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I didn't say anything about forcing it on people. I'm simply referring to how disorganized the process is for vaccine appointments and what not, with all sorts of needless hoops to jump through because everyone's designing their own systems and not checking that cross-links point to the right places.
 
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