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#altfacts......that's how they tried to explain this shitstorm from the blowhard in chief.....fact checkers are sad..losers...lock em up!
 
MarAzul said:
If you like your Health Care, You can keep....
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Republicans constantly tried to neuter and defund the ACA. You can be mad at the president that put it into place but why aren't you also mad at the party that made sure that what was put into place was a shell of what it should be and will never be more then a shell of what it should be.
 
Rhal said:
Republicans constantly tried to neuter and defund the ACA. You can be mad at the president that put it into place but why aren't you also mad at the party that made sure that what was put into place was a shell of what it should be and will never be more then a shell of what it should be.
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Well first off here, it was a whopper of a lie. Second I have a great difficulty ignoring having my ox gored.

Did you know, there were maybe 20 million of us Retired people that lost their healthcare to the ACA.
It pulled the rug right from under us. I had already been inform that my wife and I had lost our healthcare when Obama stood before
a joint secession of Congress and said, If you like your Health Care, You can keep your healthcare.

Some rude repub on the floor call him a lier. That pissed a lot of Dems off.
 
Usually when someone says you can keep your healthcare they are speaking about the people who purchase healthcare...they didn't say your company can keep paying for your healthcare...they weren't saying you couldn't continue your healthcare...they said you could keep it....I lost my OSEA benefits when retired and could've kept that healthcare....difference is I'd have to pay for it instead of my employer...I shopped in the marketplace for something affordable...the ACA allowed for people who couldn't pay for healthcare to have access..it's the company that choses to downgrade your perks in the end...they didn't have to but it was profitable so ...they did
 
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Trump is lying right now in campaign speeches about the GNP....he doesn't mention that companies are in high gear to make as much as possible before the tariffs take effect and clobber their profits.....short term scrambling in the work force now before it's too late. We'll see how many American businesses get farmer assistance money when that cookie crumbles...we'll see how many are laid off when they can't sell enough cars or refrigerators..can't believe this guy is still spinning the constant misleading campaign speeches over and over
 
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MarAzul said:
Well first off here, it was a whopper of a lie. Second I have a great difficulty ignoring having my ox gored.

Did you know, there were maybe 20 million of us Retired people that lost their healthcare to the ACA.
It pulled the rug right from under us. I had already been inform that my wife and I had lost our healthcare when Obama stood before
a joint secession of Congress and said, If you like your Health Care, You can keep your healthcare.

Some rude repub on the floor call him a lier. That pissed a lot of Dems off.
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Your company, with the utmost respect to you and your time there, took the very first chance they got to fuck you over. Blaming this on Obama is like blaming someone for getting robbed because they didnt lock their back door.

Sure, obama owns some responsibility, but put the majority of blame squarely where it belongs. Your job, and yourself for trusting them.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Your company, with the utmost respect to you and your time there, took the very first chance they got to fuck you over. Blaming this on Obama is like blaming someone for getting robbed because they didnt lock their back door.

Sure, obama owns some responsibility, but put the majority of blame squarely where it belongs. Your job, and yourself for trusting them.
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And what makes it all the more ironic and ridiculous, MarAzul strongly supports removing regulations and letting corporations do whatever they want no matter the cost to society.

That's exactly what happened here. Government didn't fuck you over, Marzy, government merely got out of the way and let IBM do what it wanted.

Your support of Trump is reverse-golden-rule - do onto others as you didn't like it done unto you.

barfo
 
riverman said:
ACA allowed for people who couldn't pay for healthcare to have access..it's the company that choses to downgrade your perks in the end...they didn't have to but it was profitable so ...they did
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3RA1N1AC said:
Your company, with the utmost respect to you and your time there, took the very first chance they got to fuck you over. Blaming this on Obama is like blaming someone for getting robbed because they didnt lock their back door.
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river is spot on. They did it! At the first opportunity. That came with the ACA making it legal and leaving the former employees with no recourse. The companies did not do it before because they were legally responsible for the compensation due. Some had gone to bankruptcy to avoid it, but most did not want to take that course, and the ACA made that unnecessary. That made it legal and there in screwed the retirees. This was a plumb supposedly for the Insurance industry, a whole new market. Hell! There is nothing to buy that is like what we lost.

"Blaming this on Obama is like blaming someone..." Valery Jarrett had explaining this on some TV host show, she thought it was a great accomplishment to force these people into the market so they could help pay for those that needed healthcare. In other words, fucking some people is justified when you help those you want to help. They never published the numbers, but perhaps they screwed more people than they helped. They never kept that score.

When you think the government should be in the business of taking from those that earned something, like 30 years of work, where part of the compensation is Healthcare, is justified to help someone else that did not do this work, then this is no damn different than a Communist.

It was all a waste and was destined to be a waste from the get go. This should have been part of a Constitutional amendment supported by the country as a whole, or not. Obama was flash in the pan, grinning fool, that in the end did nothing but, screw about 20 million people out of their healthcare.
 
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barfo said:
Yet you don't seem to be able to rebut it.

barfo
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I can think of nothing comparable to Obama screwing 20 million retirees out of their healthcare.
I would not support so frivolously taking from those that earned compensation .
 
Trump's lies/exaggerations are so many and come so often that many people become numb to them...and of course his sheep will believe anything he says.

...and that seems to be the crux of his maniacal strategy.
 
MarAzul said:
river is spot on. They did it! At the first opportunity. That came with the ACA making it legal and leaving the former employees with no recourse. The companies did not do it before because they were legally responsible for the compensation due. Some had gone to bankruptcy to avoid it, but most did not want to take that course, and the ACA made that unnecessary. That made it legal and there in screwed the retirees. This was a plumb supposedly for the Insurance industry, a whole new market. Hell! There is nothing to buy that is like what we lost.

"Blaming this on Obama is like blaming someone..." Valery Jarrett had explaining this on some TV host show, she thought it was a great accomplishment to force these people into the market so they could help pay for those that needed healthcare. In other words, fucking some people is justified when you help those you want to help. They never published the numbers, but perhaps they screwed more people than they helped. They never kept that score.

When you think the government should be in the business of taking from those that earned something, like 30 years of work, where part of the compensation is Healthcare, is justified to help someone else that did not do this work, then this is no damn different than a Communist.

It was all a waste and was destined to be a waste from the get go. This should have been part of a Constitutional amendment supported by the country as a whole, or not. Obama was flash in the pan, grinning fool, that in the end did nothing but, screw about 20 million people out of their healthcare.
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"Another idea dating back to the Heritage paper under discussion by Republicans is abolishing the tax breaks on employer-sponsored insurance, the so-called tax exclusion. It’s a more sweeping proposal than the “Cadillac tax” on high-cost insurance policies that was included but later suspended in the ACA. A version of it has appeared in some House GOP replacement plans. But while economists love the idea, a lot of politicians (and unions) hate it. At this point, it seems unlikely that the tax exclusion will be eliminated in any GOP repeal plan, although of course, we still are in early days. Another scenario is a partial elimination or cap on the tax break, as part of the replacement plan or a subsequent GOP tax reform bill."
as you stated in other posts it was the elimination of the tax breaks that most prominently drove companies decisions, the simple +/- balance sheet. that quote is from a paper on the hertige foundation's proposals and positions that made it into the GOP's first attempts at creating a marketplace act to control spiraling health care costs and and the drag it was causing on the economy in 1993. the republicans and conservative think tanks were proponents of these changes to the insurance market place way before the ACA. bankruptcy was not necessary for existing benefits to be discontinued or down graded before the ACA. if a company was sold or absorbed by another even parent corporation, they were then under no obligation to continue/honor the benefit packages of former employees. the unions did a much better job of it with there contracts with the exception of bankruptcy.
 
Trump incidentally screwed a lot of contractors and employees to profit from his own losses with multiple bankruptcy filings...he actually came out of one failed project with a million dollar profit at the expense of many, many people losing jobs and not getting paid for work done on his behalf....now when asked about it during the campaign his answer was...I'm smart...I know more about bankruptcy and tax loopholes than anybody...clear case of the guy at the top throwing his team under the bus for his own gains....he's still doing it but now it's cabinet members, lawyers, consultants and staff members....anybody who thinks he cares about the avg Joe Plumber is hiding their head in the sand
 
MarAzul said:
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to give you some perspective, in 1981 i had been commercial fishing full time for 5 years, as a merchant seamen plying my labors on the high seas. from 1798 till that year we mariners had been allowed healthcare at any federal facility free, our insurance package. president reagan in his budget proposal for that year wanted the act's elimination. the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 enacted by congress and signed by reagan did just that. you weren't the first person fucked over by congress and a sitting president out of their healthcare benefit package.
 
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MarAzul said:
I can think of nothing comparable to Obama screwing 20 million retirees out of their healthcare.
I would not support so frivolously taking from those that earned compensation .
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The reason you can't think of anything comparable is that you are laser focused on yourself.

This might have been the worst thing that ever happened to you. It's not the worst thing that ever happened to anyone, by a long stretch.

barfo
 
lawai'a said:
as you stated in other posts it was the elimination of the tax breaks that most prominently drove companies decisions, the simple +/- balance sheet.
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>> No it was not the eliminations of tax breaks, it was not even the huge additional tax laid on the employers if they continued providing the healthcare, it was the that the Act made it a legal option to avoid the obligation, leaving the employees/retirees no recourse.
In short, the government under Obama, as advocated by his aids, screwed 20 million people, perhaps more.

lawai'a said:
bankruptcy was not necessary for existing benefits to be discontinued or down graded before the ACA.
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>>> think this is wrong. But at least it could go to court and be heard. None of the companies that took advantage of the ACA to dump
their obligation, succeeded in do so prior to the ACA.

lawai'a said:
Act of 1981 enacted by congress and signed by reagan did just that. you weren't the first person fucked over by congress and a sitting president out of their healthcare benefit package.
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Sorry to hear this. I suspect you would agree, government should not be interfering with peoples compensations for work performed.
But this case where you were screwed does seem like government business, not quite the same as interfering with workers and business
in the public sector.
 
MarAzul said:
Ha! Fucking brilliant! But then, I take it you did not get screwed. And still, I can not think of any act worse.
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Right, I didn't get screwed (or advantaged) by that particular incident. And maybe because of that, I can look at the situation without my feelings getting in the way.

barfo
 
the thread is Trump fact checking....somehow it's Obama ACA now...hmmmm I will say that if folks don't want the govt involved in taxes and lawmaking...they sure shouldn't be willing to accept govt benefits...SSI or Medicare, etc....unemployment insurance...disability benefits....at some point it's best to plan for contingencies that could sink your boat...in Marz case....I think the blame is absolutely square on your employer for not honoring their retirement package for you....as lawai'i said....it's not an isolated incident...happens all throughout our history...my mother's company screwed her out of retirement after 18 years of loyal work...had nothing to do with ACA....had to do with her capping out salary wise and replacing her with an 18 year old at beginning salary. It's not govt that fucks people or changes the way business is conducted....IT'S GREED....let's fact check Trump …..he's the great exaggerator in chief....he just gave billions to soybean farmers after killing their marketplace...now that's govt interference in the workplace...his trade war actually forced Harley Davidson to leave the US and build overseas....on and on...all so he can bluster about how good trade wars are
 
I did hear Trump say something that makes me think he's a holocaust denier.
 
Strenuus said:
We have a president? Fooled me, we haven't had a president since 2016.
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We almost had a president when George McGovern ran...scandal on his running mate took him out of contention...last candidate I genuinely lobbied for.
 
MarAzul said:
Ha! Fucking brilliant! But then, I take it you did not get screwed. And still, I can not think of any act worse.
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Fact checking marzy

The rate of Americans who lack health insurance has hit a record low — again — as a result of Obamacare. In the first quarter of 2016, there were 8.6 percent of Americans — or about 27.3 million people — who were uninsured, the first time in history that the nation's uninsured rate fell below 9 percent.Sep 7, 2016
 
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