Failing Chemistry

[PapaG]

Yeah, that is what I wrote....way to draw your own conclusions....He doesn't need to "shape" his game around Miller...I never wrote that...He needs to ADJUST to playing with better players, and get over this "I must have the ball in my hands all the time for this team to succeed" mentality that he seems unable (unwilling?) to let go of....The sooner he realizes that letting guys like Oden, Aldridge, and yes Miller shoulder some\more of the scoring\playmaking responsibility the better and stronger the TEAM will be as a whole...He'll still get his shots, he can still pick his spots...can still be "the man"....

I don't think...scratch that...I KNOW this team cannot reach ultimate success just by riding the back of Roy...heck, they couldn't even get out of the 1st round...teams can find a way to shut down one guy, and sorry folks, but Roy is nowhere near the LeBron\Kobe level of talent that can SOMETIMES eclipse that for a game or two....If Roy really wants to be a champion, then he is going to have to start letting his teamates carry some more of the burden...



It is not absurd, where is the line drawn? You wouldn't make Devin Harris or Chris Paul come off the bench because Roy feels more comfortable with Blake in the backcourt would you? Miller is CLEARLY better than Blake, as good as any of the guys I listed? (For EMPHASIS BTW), heck no, but clearly better than Blake and yet....Roy would rather have the less talented player next to him, because HE cannot yet adapt to not having the ball in his hands ALL THE TIME.....That isn't a Miller problem...that is a Roy problem....I know most people here can see no wrong in Roy no matter what he does, but he isn't perfect...

Oden getting more shots\touches is not a bad thing...Hasn't the preseason shown that already? Aldridge has clearly shown he deserves to get the shots\touches he normally gets....Miller certainly deserves some shot attempts as well, and he makes plays happen for other guys not named Roy...something Steve Blake has not shown he is able to do.....His game is pass the ball off to Roy and spot up for an outside shot...it works some nights, most nights it doesn't...and it failed miserably in the playoffs...



So fewer shots in the preseason means deferment? Or maybe they are a result of a player who is struggling to adapt to not controlling the ball all the time? Yeah Miller has taken a lot of shots in a few games, but can you blame him? The guy has been a good player, a starter for his entire career and now his coach infers that he will likely come off the bench behind a player who is not as good as he is...Think he wants to prove something? You bet he does, and BTW, Blake has been pressing as well.

You posted that Roy was to blame for any lack of chemistry. I think that is ridiculous. Argue with the facts I posted, or don't, but I have to admit I can't really respect your opinion after you blaming Roy for any chemistry problems. Go ahead and post another multi-paragraph response that I'll skim through (unsuccessfully) looking for a justification of why Roy is the problem with chemistry when he's leading the team in assists this preseason while shooting the ball 26 less times than the "passing" PG.

 

[Blaze01]

You posted that Roy was to blame for any lack of chemistry. I think that is ridiculous. Argue with the facts I posted, or don't, but I have to admit I can't really respect your opinion after you blaming Roy for any chemistry problems. Go ahead and post another multi-paragraph response that I'll skim through (unsuccessfully) looking for a justification of why Roy is the problem with chemistry when he's leading the team in assists this preseason while shooting the ball 26 less times than the "passing" PG.

I just did, and I gave you SEVERAL reasons...That you can't seem to comprehend them is not my fault....

Maybe your just a little too infatuated with Roy....

 

[PapaG]

I just did, and I gave you SEVERAL reasons...That you can't seem to comprehend them is not my fault....

Maybe your just a little too infatuated with Roy....

I can't comprehend this.

I think the only guy failing chemistry right now is Brandon Roy.

You posted it, I disagree with it. Sorry if your brilliance is lost on me.

 

[STOMP]

What?

If all you ever look at are numbers sometimes you get the wrong impression. Zach Randolf is a prime example. On paper the dude looks awesome. In person, not so much. Stats don't show Zach not making past half court on defense.

There is a reason scouts watch film on teams instead of reading their stat line when preparing for a team.

Seeing is believing.

Hopefully you will realize that is true.

With Outlaw it's the absolute truth. On paper he looks pretty good. In person, not so much. You have watched him play and apparently disagree. Great! As thinking creatures I would expect people to disagree.

However saying something that implies observation isn't worth much is pretty stupid.

Hopefully that isn't what you meant.

If I had access to Synergy or something like it, I would post multiple clips showing what I am talking about. Unfortunately I don't so I can't.

Also, it really is an honest question. I am asking if they have ever focused on Outlaw for a quarter during a game. I did and didn't like what I saw. I am wondering if anyone else has done the same thing.

What sort of fan shows up daily in a chat site during the offseason? Asking such a poster if they've ever watched so and so on their favorite team is flat absurd. Do you really think it's a possibility that someone chatting hoops in the offseason out in cyberspace obsessively pours over basketball stats without ever watching games? Thats just nuts

Asking that question comes off as either 1) a poor try at a condescending insult of the other person and/or 2) an indication of your own personal limitations.

since you were so kind to ask... my grade school years were spent in North Carolina in the early 70's and I've been a hoops fanatic since. My family moved to Portland in 76 and save one season when I was in Italy, I've easily watched over 70 Blazer games a season since. I've focused on every single player thanks. I've also had the pass for at least 5 years and try to watch every team a few times a year... lots of college ball too. Though I've a lot of hoops friends, I don't know anyone who watches nearly as much hoops as I do.

Travis is a decent player on a cheap salary who fits in well on this team. I'm fine with others disagreeing with me on this or whatever, but acting like your view point is the only legitimate one to hold on this issue is dilutional. I'm not only siding with the stats on this but with the NBA professionals who've signed him and continue to increase his PT every single year he's been in the league.

STOMP

 

[Blaze01]

I can't comprehend this.

Have you even been to any of the games? b\c if you had been then this shouldn't be hard to comprehend....

You posted it, I disagree with it. Sorry if your brilliance is lost on me.

Apparently, that is not hard to do....

 

[PapaG]

Have you even been to any of the games? b\c if you had been then this shouldn't be hard to comprehend....



Apparently, that is not hard to do....

Clown show. Welcome to ignore.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Have you even been to any of the games? b\c if you had been then this shouldn't be hard to comprehend....



Apparently, that is not hard to do....

Annnnnd... repped.

 

[PapaG]

Annnnnd... repped.

LOL.

You're trolling the board looking for posters who makes foolish posts that I disagree with so you can rep them.

"Brandon Roy is the only Blazer failing at chemistry."

I do like this ignore function.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I really only do it to rib you.

When I met crandc and spud at Huber's last season, they said you are much nicer in real life, and I fully believe that. Hopefully they'll tell you the same thing about me someday!

Until then, I'll endeavor to improve my posting.

 

[jlprk]

Sergio is taking Tyreke Evans job?
Tonight in a Kings blowout over the Thunder:
34 minutes Sergio, 14 minutes Tyreke Evans, Beno Udrih 28 minutes.
11 assists, 3 steals for Sergio, and he was leading his team when they extended out to the big lead.

With Kevin Martin out, Beno (top sub at PG) had to play SG. Sergio got a chance to show he should be top sub at PG. I think whoever is top sub at PG will soon start, as rookie Tyreke will quickly fade as team leader.

box score
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291022025

 

[Natebishop3]

Why does this feel like an SNL skit that has outlived it's comedic value? First it was Maris, then it was PapaG, now it's Kingspeed. All we need now is for Mixum to join in on this Miller bashing and the Fantastic Four will have joined forces for the first time in S2 history. Maybe we could bring back OIG and complete the Fab Five.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Sergio is taking Tyreke Evans job?
Tonight in a Kings blowout over the Thunder:
34 minutes Sergio, 14 minutes Tyreke Evans, Beno Udrih 28 minutes.
11 assists, 3 steals for Sergio, and he was leading his team when they extended out to the big lead.

With Kevin Martin out, Beno (top sub at PG) had to play SG. Sergio got a chance to show he should be top sub at PG. I think whoever is top sub at PG will soon start, as rookie Tyreke will quickly fade as team leader.

box score
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291022025

Uh huh. Or maybe the Kings did like 90% of NBA teams do in the final game of the preseason and they rested their starters or played them very few minutes.

But I will say this, Beno Udrih sucks hard enough that I can see him actually ceding minutes to Sergio at times this season ... overall I expect Sergio to be the player he's been for most of the past three years; a high assist rate, high turnover rate, low shooting %, poor defensive point guard who can adequately run a team's offense, but typically yields too many turnovers and commits too many defensive lapses to be counted on to be anything other than a replacement level player.

Best of luck to Chacho.

 

[MIXUM]

oh please dont start the sergio shit.

thats all we need is to hear is that little pukes name when we have our own major PG problems

 

[jlprk]

Or maybe the Kings did like 90% of NBA teams do in the final game of the preseason and they rested their starters or played them very few minutes.

But I will say this, Beno Udrih sucks hard enough that I can see him actually ceding minutes to Sergio at times this season ...

The box score says that Kevin Martin has a sprained wrist, so if what you speculate is true, someone is lying. Notice that Sergio's 11 assists almost equaled the 12 assists of the entire Thunder team.

The point is that he isn't as buried under Tyreke and Beno as his detractors on this board keep labeling him. ("He's the worst PG on the worst team.") It's a fluid situation, and he helped himself tonight by outplaying the other 2 PGs. When given minutes, he acquits himself at least as well as the other 2. He's proving to be at least their equal. I realize they're bad, but the point is, tonight shows that he won't remain fixed at 3rd PG. Then you'll only be able to say, "He's on the worst team." In fact if they keep blowing out the Thunder you'll have to change even that.

 

[Ed O]

Some people here are, IMO, unnecessarily anti-Sergio. He's big and relatively young and he is a very good passer. He didn't do much with Portland to earn playing time, but it wouldn't surprise me if/when he gets regular minutes if he's a solid starter.

I'm not saying we ought not have traded him--and the characterization that we paid to get rid of him is inaccurate, given that we moved up in the second round, too--but that doesn't mean that he sucks as a prospect.

Ed O.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

I wish Sergio nothing but the best, but we traded him. He is no longer a Blazer. We've traded many other players. I think the only reason anyone still brings him up is to fuck with the few posters who keep implying (directly or, mostly, indirectly) that he will someday become some hall of fame PG. If their level of delusion wasn't so mindboggling, his name would rarely be mentioned on this board, kinda like Jarrett Jack.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I don't know...iirc last year about this time there was some regular update on Jack and how he was doing. I think there's at least some care to what goes on when Blazers get traded, at least at first. Heck, how many times is Z-bo still brought up?

 

[LOTBfan]

Sergio had the best game considering he only played 10 minutes.

If you can go the season without mentioning Sergio again, I will buy you a pair of tickets to 3 games of your choice next season.