Politics FBI has been wiretapping Manafort since 2014 (Psst... that's before he went to work for Trump)

[SlyPokerDog]

While Denny believes this is either a nothingburger or the dems hacked themselves in some sort of giant conspiracy, this is looking like Trump could honestly be innocent in all of this.

Manafort could be guilty of collusion but that doesn't mean Trump is.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

 

[theprunetang]

While Denny believes this is either a nothingburger or the dems hacked themselves in some sort of giant conspiracy, this is looking like Trump could honestly be innocent in all of this.

Manafort could be guilty of collusion but that doesn't mean Trump is.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

"Extreme vetting"

 

[MarAzul]

Wiretap.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wiretap.

Yes, the government wiretaps suspected criminals.

 

[barfo]

If Manafort (and Flynn, and Flynn Jr, and Kushner, ...) is guilty of various things, that does not automatically mean Trump is innocent of those or any other things.

Sometimes it turns out that people who hang out with lots of criminals are criminals themselves.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Yes, the government wiretaps all US Citizens, all the time, without exception.

FIFY.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If Manafort (and Flynn, and Flynn Jr, and Kushner, ...) is guilty of various things, that does not automatically mean Trump is innocent of those or any other things.

Sometimes it turns out that people who hang out with lots of criminals are criminals themselves.

barfo

Trump is a victim. Imagine if Russians secretly took over the chocolate factory, Willy Wonka would still be a good guy and would be fighting to make the Oompa Loompas great again.

 

[MARIS61]

If Manafort (and Flynn, and Flynn Jr, and Kushner, ...) is guilty of various things, that does not automatically mean Trump is innocent of those or any other things.

Sometimes it turns out that people who hang out with lots of criminals are criminals themselves.

barfo

Like the Clintons hanging out with treasonous fraud artist Mark Rich (and pardoning him), and child/porn trafficker/pimp Jeffrey Epstein, both whom were actually convicted of being criminals.

But the article clearly states "The surveillance was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence, according to one of the sources."

No evidence of any crime by any of these people has been brought to light, despite 3+ years of listening to their every conversation, reading every keystroke of their emails... This "investigation" is clearly an illegal operation by a treasonous political group abusing their government offices and positions to undermine our election process.

 

[barfo]

Like the Clintons hanging out with treasonous fraud artist Mark Rich (and pardoning him), and child/porn trafficker/pimp Jeffrey Epstein, both whom were actually convicted of being criminals.

Yep. Like that. Actually, exactly like that in the case of Epstein, since Epstein and Trump are connected also.

Trump's got a much longer list of criminal associates than that though. As you'd expect for someone of his shady background.

No evidence of any crime by any of these people has been brought to light

That simply isn't true. We have evidence of crimes committed by Flynn.

, despite 3+ years of listening to their every conversation, reading every keystroke of their emails... This "investigation" is clearly an illegal operation by a treasonous political group abusing their government offices and positions to undermine our election process.

Yeah, sure. Whereas the multiple Clinton investigations were a pure-hearted search for truth.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Yep. Like that. Actually, exactly like that in the case of Epstein, since Epstein and Trump are connected also.

Trump's got a much longer list of criminal associates than that though. As you'd expect for someone of his shady background.



That simply isn't true. We have evidence of crimes committed by Flynn.



Yeah, sure. Whereas the multiple Clinton investigations were a pure-hearted search for truth.

barfo

Trump and Epstein had a mutual friend, but were never friends themselves. Trump banned Epstein from Mar-A-Lago after he found him preying on minors. The Clintons defend Epstein to this day and have never spoken an ill word about him.

http://www.gossipextra.com/2016/10/31/donald-trump-perv-jeffrey-epstein-mar-a-lago-6462-68165

You mention a supposed list of criminals Trump is associated with, I'd like to see this supposed list as I doubt it's existence.

You claim "We have evidence of crimes committed by Flynn." I have no evidence, and I am unaware of ANY that has been published by the media. No charges have been brought, and it appears none are forthcoming.

Meanwhile, Meuller's probe is on the verge of landing Meuller and company in prison for abuse of office and turning a blind eye to evidence of Democrats involved in actual crimes involving Russian financial fraud and illegal transfers of US Uranium holdings, and Ukranian election-fixing. Now it appears he may also be guilty of crimes of treason for trying to stop investigation into the financial backing of the 9/11 attacks.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/09/10/robert-mueller-obstruct-congresss-911-probe/

Comey is a sure-fire conviction for deliberately blowing the Clinton email investigation and he'll likely take Lynch, his buddy Meuller, and maybe even Obama down with him.

 

[barfo]

You mention a supposed list of criminals Trump is associated with, I'd like to see this supposed list as I doubt it's existence.

Any of the mobsters he associated with in building in NY and in running casinos in NJ, as a start. I'm sure you can find lots of information if you are actually interested.

You claim "We have evidence of crimes committed by Flynn." I have no evidence, and I am unaware of ANY that has been published by the media.

You'll need to take your hands away from your eyes if you want to see anything. Flynn is super dirty, he was apparently negotiating a private deal (involving Russians) to bring nuclear power plants to the middle east while he was National Security Advisor.

But what I meant about evidence: he was a foreign agent and did not register as such, left information about foreign payments off of required disclosures, etc. We know these things for a fact.

No charges have been brought, and it appears none are forthcoming.

I think it's pretty clear that he's going to jail for a little while, unless Trump pardons him of course.

Comey is a sure-fire conviction for deliberately blowing the Clinton email investigation and he'll likely take Lynch, his buddy Meuller, and maybe even Obama down with him.

Sure. I'll just wait and see on that one.

barfo