Politics Fed Judge HAMMERS Mueller investigation

[SlyPokerDog]

“You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s bank fraud,” Judge T.S. Ellis III said during a morning hearing. “You really care about getting information Mr. Manafort can give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump and lead to his prosecution or impeachment.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.df382b859086

 

[Stevenson]

I think we can all agree that that is true . . . and it would be a good thing.

 

[Chris Craig]

 

[MARIS61]

End of Mueller's bogus "investigation".

 

[barfo]

End of Mueller's bogus "investigation".

Well, Giuliani said he was going to end it in two weeks, so I guess he was right.

barfo

 

[julius]

This board would've been fun to read during Watergate and Monicagate.

 

[CupWizier]

End of Mueller's bogus "investigation".

lmao! Dream on maris, dream on.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

lmao! Dream on maris, dream on.

The investigation takes a serious hit if the judge throws out the Manafort case.

 

[julius]

The investigation takes a serious hit if the judge throws out the Manafort case.

The case against Manafort takes a hit if the judge throws out the Manafort case. The investigation won't all the sudden stop, change or suffer because of one small part of it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The case against Manafort takes a hit if the judge throws out the Manafort case. The investigation won't all the sudden stop, change or suffer because of one small part of it.

Sure it does. It would validate Trump's claim that this is a witch hunt and open the floodgates for Russia to further interfere with our elections.

 

[julius]

Sure it does. It would validate Trump's claim that this is a witch hunt and open the floodgates for Russia to further interfere with our elections.

Which hinders Muellers investigation how now?

Is he all the sudden going to stop? If it's taken this long for stuff to come out (and stuff keeps coming out), this isn't just a 1 trick pony here.

Ass clown can call it a witch hunt all he wants. But me saying I look like Brad Pitt 100 times a day doesn't all the sudden make me look like Brad Pitt.

 

[barfo]

The case against Manafort takes a hit if the judge throws out the Manafort case. The investigation won't all the sudden stop, change or suffer because of one small part of it.

And let's keep in mind this is only the VA case against Manafort. There is also a DC case against Manafort.

barfo

 

[BrianFromWA]

regardless of what the investigation is about or how it's going, it's a bit concerning to me that an investigator who has the powers that he does seemingly answers only to one man (Rosenstein, who said he wouldn't fire him even if Trump told him to), who looks increasingly like he's got--at the very least--a conflict of interest in the case.

 

[barfo]

regardless of what the investigation is about or how it's going, it's a bit concerning to me that an investigator who has the powers that he does seemingly answers only to one man (Rosenstein, who said he wouldn't fire him even if Trump told him to), who looks increasingly like he's got--at the very least--a conflict of interest in the case.

1. How many men do you want him to answer to? And which men?

2. What's the conflict of interest?

barfo

 

[riverman]

regardless of what the investigation is about or how it's going, it's a bit concerning to me that an investigator who has the powers that he does seemingly answers only to one man (Rosenstein, who said he wouldn't fire him even if Trump told him to), who looks increasingly like he's got--at the very least--a conflict of interest in the case.

or just maybe he doesn't like money laundering and tax evasion....while investigating campaign finance concerns they stumble on shady deals involving Ukrainian and Russian money scams....sort of like how they got Al Capone.....Trump has not been very transparent with his financial dealings to the point of lying about ever even spending a night in Moscow....it's a house of cards from where I stand....let them fall where they may....didn't work for Nixon...Trump claims he wants to drain the swamp but he's knee deep in the swamp...rich crooks shouldn't get a free pass because they wear fancy suits

 

[SlyPokerDog]

2. What's the conflict of interest?

Mueller, Rosenstein, and Cohen are all lawyers.

I think so is the judge.

Lot's of lawyers in the case. Should we really have the future of the presidency in the hands of lawyers?

Also...

Hillary is a lawyer.

 

[BrianFromWA]

1. How many men do you want him to answer to? And which men?

2. What's the conflict of interest?

barfo

I don't know...it feels like every other part of government has multiple checks and balances. the only person overseeing this investigation is one who may be fired for his role in the subject of it.

Look, it's not just about this investigation, but it's a microcosm (right in front of us) of the potential for unchecked power. similar to overreach of executive orders or judicial activism or if the military decided to run itself without civilian oversight...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don't know...it feels like every other part of government has multiple checks and balances. the only person overseeing this investigation is one who may be fired for his role in the subject of it.

Look, it's not just about this investigation, but it's a microcosm (right in front of us) of the potential for unchecked power. similar to overreach of executive orders or judicial activism or if the military decided to run itself without civilian oversight...

Huh?

You mean like a judge and jury? Or impeachment by the House? I see lot's of checks and balances on Mueller.

 

[MarAzul]

I see lot's of checks and balances on Mueller.

I see nothing that even comes close to logical or in step with the intent of the Constitution.
We do not have a crime.
We do not have evidence of a crime.
Mueller is not answerable to the chief executive, any elected office answerable to the people, or directly answerable the people.
That is fucked up.

 

[MARIS61]

1. How many men do you want him to answer to? And which men?

2. What's the conflict of interest?

barfo

1. Trump, Sessions, Wray for starters. Duh.

2. Moronic question, the answer(s) to which have been testified to in Congress, in several courts, and on a daily basis in every conservative news outlet.

 

[barfo]

I see nothing that even comes close to logical or in step with the intent of the Constitution.
We do not have a crime.
We do not have evidence of a crime.

Maybe you don't. I know someone who does.

Mueller is not answerable to the chief executive, any elected office answerable to the people, or directly answerable the people.
That is fucked up.

So, I guess you are in favor of abolishing the supreme court then? Since they are not answerable to anyone either.

barfo

 

[barfo]

1. Trump, Sessions, Wray for starters. Duh.

Criminals don't get to fire law enforcement. That's not how any of this works.

2. Moronic question, the answer(s) to which have been testified to in Congress, in several courts, and on a daily basis in every conservative news outlet.

In other words, you have no idea.

barfo

 

[BrianFromWA]

So, I guess you are in favor of abolishing the supreme court then? Since they are not answerable to anyone either.
barfo

Even Supreme Court justices can (and have) been impeached. Or have resigned prior to impeachment. There is at least a constitutional pathway to do so.

 

[MarAzul]

Since they are not answerable to anyone either.

Sure they are. The President is answerable to the people for nominating them. Each Justice is answerable to Congress as they are impeachable.

 

[CupWizier]

. Each Justice is answerable to Congress as they are impeachable.

So is the president.

 

[MarAzul]

So is the president.

You have been studying.

 

[CupWizier]

You have been studying.

Nope, but for a guy who seems to think he knows the constitution you tend to get things wrong.

 

[MarAzul]

you tend to get things wrong.

When you find I am wrong, post it. Better hurry though, you are getting older.
Carry on!

 

[CupWizier]

When you find I am wrong, post it. Better hurry though, you are getting older.
Carry on!

Pretty funny you call someone much younger than you as getting older.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Pretty funny you call someone much younger than you as getting older.