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MarAzul said:
And I would just like to question what sort of system do we have that we need a special counsil to investigate shit that happen 10 years ago about stuff that is not even hinted at in his appointment authorization?

Out of control, way out of control. Not the land of law, but the land where would ever shit happens as the deep state see fit.
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Psst... When a bunch of this shit happened Manafort worked for the dems.

Why not let Mueller run this investigation. You just might like where it leads.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Psst... When a bunch of this shit happened Manafort worked for the dems.

Why not let Mueller run this investigation. You just might like where it leads.
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Rather doubtful Sly.

Regardless of what he has done or not, I am sure the FBI could handle the business in regular order.
The heavy hand of an unsupervised special counsel seems to lack due process.
 
MarAzul said:
Rather doubtful Sly.

Regardless of what he has done or not, I am sure the FBI could handle the business in regular order.
The heavy hand of an unsupervised special counsel seems to lack due process.
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How does it lack due process? A grand jury indicted him, and he will now have a trial, assuming he doesn't plea bargain beforehand. How is that any different than what would have happened if the FBI was running the investigation by itself?

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
The heavy hand of an unsupervised special counsel seems to lack due process.
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Judges have signed off on warrants, the assistant AG is overseeing Mueller's investigation.
 
barfo said:
How is that any different than what would have happened if the FBI was running the investigation by itself?
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It is different because the FBi didn't do an investigation. Or if they did, they took no action.
 
MarAzul said:
It is different because the FBi didn't do an investigation. Or if they did, they took no action.
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Maybe Manafort just never crossed their radar before. Should they let him go because of that?

People get caught for crimes in a variety of ways. Should the special counsel look the other way? If they'd passed the thread off to some other law enforcement agency to follow up on, would you be ok with that, or would that still be overreach?

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
Right. Not the AG.
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If the AG wanted to supervise Manafort's investigation, maybe he shouldn't have lied about Russia?

barfo
 
barfo said:
overreach
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Overreach probably is not the correct word. I suspect obviscation is closer to the mark.

I was once accused of Criminal Tresspass by the Railroad police. It was not true at all, but the charges were made to get my ass out of town, since from that moment forward I was not permitted on RR property by the RR police, even though
I had been hired to investigate and improve the accounting system of the Railroad. And it worked, I could not proceed with the job at hand because of the issue at hand that was never going to be closed.

The reall issue at hand for the RR police was to save the jobs of their fellow union workers by any means possible. Justice was not an issue. Even the Law school of the University in the state with a large number of law students could not find
any legal recourse to this obvious obviscation.

The special council working the cracks is the same sort of bullshit process.
 
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MarAzul said:
The wrong AG taking the wrong action even though Manafort's alleged crime has nothing to do with the investigation from which the AG recussed himself.
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How can it be the wrong AG when Trump only hires the best people?
 
The due process of law, is very dependent on the procecutor being responsible to the people directly or through our representives. The special council completely eliminates this level of accountability.
No matter how egreggious and undue Mueler's process, no one will lose and election as the result. Therefore, this is not due process, it is a side show with a different mission.
 
MarAzul said:
Overreach probably is not the correct word. I suspect obviscation is closer to the mark.
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Are you sure the right word isn't balfumistery or lengobistication?

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
Save some in a bottle an see what you got next season.
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If I could save balfumistery in a bottle
The first thing that I'd like to do...

barfo
 
Denny, I have a personal reason to hate trump too. Mine has to do with a family member that worked for him who died in a helicopter crash and was subsequently slandered bybTrump. Also, he was engaged and the very very large insurance policy went to trump without so much a a dollar or a note going to the widow. My family tried to sue Trump but the intimidation and cost was unbearable to my family so they had to drop the suit

Lots of people have personal stories - ask all the “university” students who were duped. The contractors who worked and were never paid or .....

But your story is so unique.
 
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dviss1 said:
That's how it works for some. Others, no...

But in the court of public opinion, that's definitely not how it works in America.
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In America, there IS no court of public opinion, because that would be a decision heavily influenced by idiots.

It's why we have a justice system, because we are not barbarians.
 
MARIS61 said:
In America, there IS no court of public opinion, because that would be a decision heavily influenced by idiots.

It's why we have a justice system, because we are not barbarians.
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Americans are idiots but not barbarians. Not sure there is sufficient evidence for that thesis.

barfo
 
MARIS61 said:
In America, there IS no court of public opinion, because that would be a decision heavily influenced by idiots.

It's why we have a justice system, because we are not barbarians.
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Speak with reality in mind. We judge people everyday before they've been judged by their peers. Nobody's saying our justice system is like that. Make sense when then post.
 
dviss1 said:
Speak with reality in mind. We judge people everyday before they've been judged by their peers. Nobody's saying our justice system is like that. Make sense when then post.
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Who is this "we" you speak of?

Democrats?

Purveyors of Fake News?

Weak-minded Sheeple? :dunno:
 
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