Politics Florida school shooting: Armed officer 'did not confront killer'

[SlyPokerDog]

An armed officer assigned to the Florida school where a gunman killed 17 people last week stood outside the building during the shooting and did not intervene, the local sheriff says.

Deputy Scot Peterson has resigned after being suspended, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said.

"I am devastated. Sick to my stomach. He never went in," Sheriff Israel said.

Earlier this week President Trump said arming school teachers could prevent school shootings.

The proposal has long been championed by the powerful National Rifle Association (NRA) gun lobby.

On Thursday, in the NRA's first comments since the massacre, its head accused Democrats and media of "exploiting" the attack. Wayne LaPierre said "opportunists" were using the tragedy to expand gun control and abolish US gun rights.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Fla. school officer waited outside building for 4 minutes as killings happened, sheriff says

http://abcnews.go.com/US/fla-school...g-minutes-killings-happened/story?id=53288339

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Stoneman Douglas cop resigns; sheriff says he should have 'killed the killer'

The police officer assigned to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School resigned Thursday, under investigation for failing to enter the building as a gunman opened fire and killed 17 people.

Sheriff Scott Israel said Deputy Scot Peterson should have “went in. Addressed the killer. Killed the killer.” Video footage showed Peterson did none of that, Israel said.

The sheriff’s office also said Thursday that two deputies were put under investigation for how they handled potential warnings about Cruz, including one from November in which a caller said Nikolas Cruz “could be a school shooter in the making.”

Peterson, 54, came under scrutiny after 19-year-old Cruz entered a school building with an AR-15 rifle and killed 14 students and three educators on Valentine’s Day. Cruz later confessed, police said.

The sheriff said video shows Peterson was outside the building for “upwards of four minutes” while students were gunned down inside.

“What I saw was a deputy arrive … take up a position and he never went in,” the sheriff said at a news conference. “There are no words. I mean these families lost their children. We lost coaches,” Israel said.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...g/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So we need to arm the teachers so they can force the police to stop the shootings?

 

[Cippy91]

So we need to arm the teachers so they can force the police to stop the shootings?

Arming teachers is straight up retarded but also it seems the force has failed as as well as the fbi as they had multiple warnings on Cruz. Nobody did anything. Don’t know why anybody is talking about that.

 

[BonesJones]

Shit man. The deputies at my high school would've rather died then let stuff happen to us.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Arming teachers is straight up retarded but also it seems the force has failed as as well as the fbi as they had multiple warnings on Cruz. Nobody did anything. Don’t know why anybody is talking about that.

I think there's a massive difference between saying "arm the teachers" (what many liberals disingenuously claim conservatives want) and saying "allow qualified teachers to arm themselves if they so choose" (what some conservatives actually say).

Please understand that I'm not calling you conservative, a liberal, or anything else, and that I'm not attributing any point of view to you specifically, but just trying to clarify the talking points that get all-too-often irresponsibly bandied about.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This has to have been posted already.

We found at least one cop who doesn't wanna kill people. Maybe he figured it was a white kid.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chic...ool-on-duty-deputy-17-20180222-story,amp.html

Maybe because teachers would already be inside they would have to shoot back?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That was my take.

Dude could have at least tried to sneak up behind and shoot him in the back. Pussy

 

[BrianFromWA]

@PtldPlatypus is spot-on with my thinking. Coach that ran in to try to protect people didn't get to carry his own weapon (though the JROTC kids said he was a trained gun owner), but cowardly fuck on the gov't dime does. One ends up dead, one ends up not doing his job.

Kind of strengthens the "good guy with a gun can do good" argument.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

@PtldPlatypus is spot-on with my thinking. Coach that ran in to try to protect people didn't get to carry his own weapon (though the JROTC kids said he was a trained gun owner), but cowardly fuck on the gov't dime does. One ends up dead, one ends up not doing his job.

Kind of strengthens the "good guy with a gun can do good" argument.

What's a standard cop retirement age? Guy was 54 I think. He probably thought he was putting in his time at a do nothing post.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Just pisses me off. The first thing i learned in law enforecement is dont be a pussy. Even as an unarmed security guard that didnt know how to fight. If someone took a swing you grab the arm and go to the ground and assume your team has your back. Many times they didnt, which is why i found better work.

One time a crazy bitch attacked a coworker. Coworker started screaming. I through all non violent training out the window and put the bitch in a choke hold. Took 3 growns ass men to put her on the ground and she managed to bite the shit out of one. Good times. Dont cower in the corner. Step the fuck up. The whole point of allowing teachers to arm themselves is there are many brave ones like coach who would step up and rather than be a bigger target could stand a chance at saving the fucking day. If coach had stuck 3 center mass and saved half these dead students he'd be getting all kinds of medals for heroism, and theyd all be deserved. But our sissy ass government decided to make schools gun free zones which means only criminals are packing.

 

[BrianFromWA]

If coach had stuck 3 center mass and saved half these dead students he'd be getting all kinds of medals for heroism, and theyd all be deserved.

Put another way, a guy who believes in protecting kids would be going home to a wife and daughter and potentially being feted by a few students who would not longer be dead, while a murderous teenager would be in the ground. Instead of the opposite.

 

[riverman]

The school cop was a coward with a gun...the shooter was a coward with a gun...having a gun doesn't make some folks heroes as much as we think it's going to be such a safeguard on school grounds....how many security guards with guns lose their guns during bank robberies? My take is that if you want to serve and protect....join the police force...rent a cops aren't paid enough to put their lives on the line in most cases...to make educators double as armed security guards is a dumb move in my view. When I taught public school in Hawaii there were lots of incidents of violence on school grounds but never guns....I've taken a knife away from a jr high school student though....I left Hawaii because I wouldn't put my son in public school there. Felt more like a cop than a teacher most of the time and it is not a healthy way to teach. Some days half the class time would be spent stopping conflicts or bullying.

 

[riverman]

Put another way, a guy who believes in protecting kids would be going home to a wife and daughter and potentially being feted by a few students who would not longer be dead, while a murderous teenager would be in the ground. Instead of the opposite.

That's an idealistic take but on the other hand, the guy could be going home in a box just like the students did.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

To make educators double as armed security guards is a dumb move in my view.

Again, nobody (intelligent) is advocating this. Change "make" to "permit", and then we're at least discussing the same concept.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That's an idealistic take but on the other hand, the guy could be going home in a box just like the students did.

Already did

 

[Chris Craig]

Coward

 

[rasheedfan2005]

That's an idealistic take but on the other hand, the guy could be going home in a box just like the students did.

I like to play odds. If he had been armed he had a better chance. And so did the kids. And you cant argue that

 

[riverman]

Again, nobody (intelligent) is advocating this. Change "make" to "permit", and then we're at least discussing the same concept.

Either way, I don't see weapons in schools or movie theaters or churches or concerts as making people safer.....Trump said maybe we should arm the teachers..then walked it back to having 20 percent of faculty armed...and pay them more....to me...that's not an answer that won't come with it's own set of problems....you think a criminal can steal a gun...well a student can steal a teacher's gun too.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This officer was following standard protocol as established by our elected leaders.

1. Take cover.

2. Assess the situation.

3. Provide thoughts and prayers to the victims.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Either way, I don't see weapons in schools or movie theaters or churches or concerts as making people safer.....Trump said maybe we should arm the teachers..then walked it back to having 20 percent of faculty armed...and pay them more....to me...that's not an answer that won't come with it's own set of problems....you think a criminal can steal a gun...well a student can steal a teacher's gun too.

The teachers should be trained with at least a 3rd gen holster. Kids would have virtually no chance at taking a gun out of a good holster. 99.9% of kids arent that psycho either. A good holster and training would make it nearly impossible. How many kids do you see taking a cops holstered gun?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

This officer was following standard protocol as established by our elected leaders.

1. Take cover.

2. Assess the situation.

3. Provide thoughts and prayers to the victims.

Weak troll. I expect better from you.

 

[riverman]

The teachers should be trained with at least a 3rd gen holster. Kids would have virtually no chance at taking a gun out of a good holster. 99.9% of kids arent that psycho either. A good holster and training would make it nearly impossible. How many kids do you see taking a cops holstered gun?

if your gun is holstered, you're probably not trying to deal with a shooter in school...same with a cop....you knock a guard out...you can take his weapon holstered or not.....my point...cops lose their guns from time to time...a holstered gun is not happening when somebody is shooting kids. You'd have multiple weapons and ammo in classrooms....toilets...gyms...break rooms...basketball games...etc....not sold that it's bringing safety to the masses....

 

[H.C.]

The school cop was a coward with a gun...the shooter was a coward with a gun...having a gun doesn't make some folks heroes as much as we think it's going to be such a safeguard on school grounds....how many security guards with guns lose their guns during bank robberies? My take is that if you want to serve and protect....join the police force...rent a cops aren't paid enough to put their lives on the line in most cases...to make educators double as armed security guards is a dumb move in my view. When I taught public school in Hawaii there were lots of incidents of violence on school grounds but never guns....I've taken a knife away from a jr high school student though....I left Hawaii because I wouldn't put my son in public school there. Felt more like a cop than a teacher most of the time and it is not a healthy way to teach. Some days half the class time would be spent stopping conflicts or bullying.

Fake news
I've heard on this forum it's impossible to disarm someone with a knife.
That their just as dangerous as a AR, if not more dangerous.

 

[H.C.]

This officer was following standard protocol as established by our elected leaders.

1. Take cover.

2. Assess the situation.

3. Provide thoughts and prayers to the victims.

You forgot one.

Accept money from special interest group for doing nothing.

 

[riverman]

Fake news

I get that a lot around here

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Weak troll. I expect better from you.

So you're saying the officer didn't provide thoughts and prayers?

 

[Nate]

Fake news
I've heard on this forum it's impossible to disarm someone with a knife.
That their just as dangerous as a AR, if not more dangerous.

Really?

I’ve heard cucks say that it’s super easy to get a knife from someone without getting stabbed.

 

[julius]

If we're going to arm people in schools, I think the better idea would be to have police on campus.
Not that they're perfect in any way (rash decisions), but I'd much rather trust a police in that situation than a teacher who is already stressed enough.

It's odd how the answer to the issue of ease of gun access/wrong people getting guns/making things unsafe in schools, seems to be just throw more guns at it. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of teachers are against the idea of teachers being the ones who are armed.​