For or Against Gay Marriages?

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recently in the news i heard that bush is trying to ban all gay marriages. so im wondering, is everyone here for or against it? i am for gay marriages, even though i am not gay, because i dont see what we can gain by banning it. if two gay men or women descide to get married, thats their issue, not mine. its not breaking any laws in the constitution or whatever. i think bush is doing this for his own personal reasons. he thinks gay marriagies are sick, so he wants to ban it.
 
I have no problem with gay marriage. Not that I'm homosexual or anything, but if they ban gay marriage, they are pretty much saying that they are different and don't have the same right.
 
Ban gay marriage!
 
I could care less. Gays are still goin to be together so its not like banning marriage will elimate homosexuals. Why would anyone care? I am curious on why people care about gay people getting married. I mean it doenst affect me or any other straight person
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">I could care less. Gays are still goin to be together so its not like banning marriage will elimate homosexuals. Why would anyone care? I am curious on why people care about gay people getting married. I mean it doenst affect me or any other straight person</div>
thats exactly what i am talking about. why should bush ban gay marriages? what effect does it have on him?
 
It shouldn't be legal anyway. If you look up in the dictionary what a family consists of, it consists of a mom and dad, not two moms or two dads. It bothers me that when I have a kid someday, he will ask me why that kid has two dads.
On the other side of the coin, there's no stopping them, if they are determined to get married.
 
Because if a gay can get married, then they can adopt kids together. That's personally the most disgusting thing I can think of. A child with two fathers or mothers is not a child, it's a product of disgust.
 
I really don't have a problem with homosexuals, but I think gay "marriage" is wrong. If people out there choose to be gay, then nothings stopping them, but the government should never recognize them as a "married" couple.

Recognizing them in that way indirectly accepts their relationship as a normal one, even though the gay lifestyle is and always should be an alternative lifestyle. I fully believe that homosexuality is not an innate characteristic. I think it's merely a culture that some people choose to be a part of. These people's minds allow them to enjoy an abnormal activity such as gay intercourse, so they lead a gay lifestyle.

Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Just because certain people decide they aren't attracted to the opposite sex doesn't mean they should be afforded the same rights and privileges as normal people. Nobody is asking them to become straight, they just shouldn't have their relationships recognized by the government as official "marriages", and definitely shouldn't be allowed to raise children as is they are a "family".
 
right now they can adopt children, being married doesnt make a difference in that. And i have heard that many experts now beleive it isnt a choice, it is an innate characteristic.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ Homosexuals can already adopt.</div>

Not as couples though, as far as I know. I'm pretty sure it's not as an official homo couple.
 
How do people feel about homosexual slander words, such as ***, dike, queer, fairy? Do these words push the limit and deserve more of a punishment than callling someone a spic, ******, or wop? Or should it be taken the same way as racism?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^That doesnt matter, they can still get a child if they want to.</div>

Yeah, but I think it's be a lot more disgusting if they could adopt children officially. For some reason, that bugs me more than one person adopting for a gay couple. The fact that America will let children be taken in by an official gay couple is nauseating to me.
 
I just dont see how it affects you. U dont have to be gay or anything like that. And where would you rather grow up, a straight family that ignores you or doesnt really love you, or a gay family that loves and cherishes you?
 
A straight family that didn't give two sh*ts about me.

You know what kind of harrassment that kid would face throughout his life? How many fights he'd get in? How many times he'd be jumped?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">A straight family that didn't give two sh*ts about me.

You know what kind of harrassment that kid would face throughout his life? How many fights he'd get in? How many times he'd be jumped?</div>

Agree with you man. People could be gay if they want but should'nt be allowed to get married or adopt childern because their child would be harrased at school and would have many problems.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">A straight family that didn't give two sh*ts about me.

You know what kind of harrassment that kid would face throughout his life? How many fights he'd get in? How many times he'd be jumped?</div>

Agree with you man. People could be gay if they want but should'nt be allowed to get married or adopt childern because their child would be harrased at school and would have many problems. Imagine if you were raised by 2 dads. How would you feel?
 
Shoot if two homo's adopt a child.. I will friggin feel sorry for the child. Then the child will be homo too.. then more and more people will be homo..
STOP GAY MARRIAGES!
If we let gay marriages go on we will have more homo's!
 
Another thing is, if a kid is raised by a gay couple, chances are that's all he'll know. He'll go to school and think being gay is normal, but once reality sets in and he realizes that it's an alternative life style, he'll be confused and probably scared.
 
^^^ Thats my point. The child will think being gay is normal. And eventually he'll wanna marry a gay person too. And more and more gay people
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Another thing is, if a kid is raised by a gay couple, chances are that's all he'll know. He'll go to school and think being gay is normal, but once reality sets in and he realizes that it's an alternative life style, he'll be confused and probably scared.</div>


Exactly and eventually that could lead to people thinking gay is normal, and being straight is disgusting. This will lead to a change of what a couple should be like, which I find horrible.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">I really don't have a problem with homosexuals, but I think gay "marriage" is wrong. If people out there choose to be gay, then nothings stopping them, but the government should never recognize them as a "married" couple.

Recognizing them in that way indirectly accepts their relationship as a normal one, even though the gay lifestyle is and always should be an alternative lifestyle. I fully believe that homosexuality is not an innate characteristic. I think it's merely a culture that some people choose to be a part of. These people's minds allow them to enjoy an abnormal activity such as gay intercourse, so they lead a gay lifestyle.

Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Just because certain people decide they aren't attracted to the opposite sex doesn't mean they should be afforded the same rights and privileges as normal people. Nobody is asking them to become straight, they just shouldn't have their relationships recognized by the government as official "marriages", and definitely shouldn't be allowed to raise children as is they are a "family".</div>
Of course the problem with that is that the government would be indirectly promoting a certain type of lifestyle, culture, and set of moral values. That defeats the point of freedom of choice and values. What would "normal" be? What the majority of the population accepts? If that were the case, wouldn't we just be marginalizing the opinions of minorities and people with different viewpoints?

You can't have it both ways, in my opinion. If you allow homosexuals to live in your society, then you have to grant them all of the rights of every other citizen. I find people tend to bring their own preferences and morals into this legal issue. I myself am not homosexual and find the concept kind of disgusting. But, I can't justify imposing my own beliefs onto others in a democratic society. The idea of picking and choosing what gays are allowed to do is the worst part too. It reminds me of apartheid in South Africa, where blacks were allowed to live as citizens but shoved off to specific, non-urban, locations and only given certain freedoms. Obviously its not too that extent, but if we start awarding fundamental freedoms and rights based on how well a person fits in, we are betraying the whole idea of freedom of opinion and choice in democracy. Everyone has a part of their life that is not of the majority, whether it concerns religion, race, relationships, politics, etc. I don’t see denying gays their right to marry being any different than punishing the minority in any of those categories.

Plus, marriage ain't all its cracked up to be. Let gays deal with the nagging and arguments of marriage and I bet they'll long for the days that they didn't have to commit. (j/k)
 
If I can't have gay marriage banned, I'd prefer being gay a crime to be honest with you. I can settle for them being couples...but it's ridiculous to recognize them as married.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">If I can't have gay marriage banned, I'd prefer being gay a crime to be honest with you. I can settle for them being couples...but it's ridiculous to recognize them as married.</div>
See I can understand your opinion more than people that go halfway. But I still don't see how you can defend that position from a legal standpoint. Homosexuality, and gay marriage, doesn't harm other people or interfere with their day to day lives. It fits within the basic laws of most Western nations. So I don't see why we have to alter those laws just to attack something that we can't stomach. I just feel we're making the same sort of stances that previous generations had on race, religion, etc.
 
Because it's not an acceptable way of life. Everybody is raised to believe that a family consists of a father, a mother, and a child. That's a family...not two fathers and an adopted child nor two mothers and an adopted child. It's just not right, it doesn't fit in society. If gay marriage is legalized, ever...you'll see a huge spike in gay hate crimes. You'll see a huge spike in playground fights, even. You'll see a huge spike in assualts and batteries. You'll see a huge spike in vandalism. It's not acceptable through most of society, it just won't work without bloodshed.
 
I'm for gay marriage just because I think that taking rights from homosexuals is the last legal form of discrimination in the U.S.. I'm not homosexual myself but its none of my business to force someone to not get married because it makes me feel better, its not like they can control that they are gay.

As for the raising children issue, I know a girl who was raised by two mothers and shes totally straight. If it weren't for the lesbian couple that adopted her she'd probably still be floating around foster homes. Homosexuals don't adopt kids and recruit them to be homosexuals, its not like the kid will never see straight people, that kid sure as hell knows whats "right" and whats "not". The issue of the child being harrassed is valid in most situations but I'm not sure that it should be a deterrant.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Because it's not an acceptable way of life. Everybody is raised to believe that a family consists of a father, a mother, and a child. That's a family...not two fathers and an adopted child nor two mothers and an adopted child. It's just not right, it doesn't fit in society. If gay marriage is legalized, ever...you'll see a huge spike in gay hate crimes. You'll see a huge spike in playground fights, even. You'll see a huge spike in assualts and batteries. You'll see a huge spike in vandalism. It's not acceptable through most of society, it just won't work without bloodshed.</div>
What about when inter-racial marriage wasn't an acceptable way of life? Look at how society's views on that have changed over a few generations. I agree that hate crimes will go up (probably moreso in largely conservative areas) but its got to happen, I'm sure gays will take the abuse if it means they can have equal rights as everyone else. Blacks gaining their rights meant that hate crimes would go up but it had to be done and today we look at the segragated and slavery eras as disgusting and totally morally incorrect.
 
I don't think interracial marriages made this big of a splash. It was still between a man and a woman.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think interracial marriages made this big of a splash. It was still between a man and a woman.</div>
Alot of people looked at it as being between a human and an animal. Don't mean to be racist but thats just the way some people thought back then, today most people accept gays as equal human beings (other than marriage). I don't think it would make nearly as much of a big deal as inter-racial marriage did because there's less hardcore supremacist type of people today. I can see alot of people opposing it but I can't see it being as bad because of the way society is today.

I do tihnk its a little wierd having a man and a man or a woman and a woman being married but its still discrimination when you take a right from someone IMO.
 

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