Frye and Sergio: Castoffs

[LameR]

Neither would have worked here. Frye could have been the perfect backup for Aldridge, with similar styles and whatnot, but he didn't perform when we gave him chances.

Sergio is averaging 13.3 mpg. He's only shot 17 three pointers. Maybe he'll keep it up, but I doubt it.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Neither would have worked here. Frye could have been the perfect backup for Aldridge, with similar styles and whatnot, but he didn't perform when we gave him chances.

Sergio is averaging 13.3 mpg. He's only shot 17 three pointers. Maybe he'll keep it up, but I doubt it.

Channing averaged a double double when Joel was hurt at the end of the 07-08 year. What else did he need to do with his chance?

 

[RR7]

Channing averaged a double double when Joel was hurt at the end of the 07-08 year. What else did he need to do with his chance?

Prove that he could be an effective BACKUP and not starter, which he did not prove. he is a rhythm player, playing 15 minutes a night for us wasn't going to cut it. He needs starters type minutes to be effective. He is showing that now. He wasn't going to get that type of minutes here. Unless you want to start him over Oden or LMA?

 

[MARIS61]

Nice article on Sergio in the Bee:

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/2357718.html

The buzz around Rodríguez had long since died down, though. While Trail Blazers coach Nate McMillan wanted less risk as his reward, Rodríguez was often mistake-prone and lacking confidence when the styles of player and coach consistently contrasted. After Portland granted his trade request with a draft-night deal to the Kings in June, Rodríguez said he has meshed much better with Kings coach Paul Westphal.

But Rodríguez had hardly been Westphal's first choice at point guard. He played in just five of the first nine games, averaging 7.2 minutes. Through the first 12 games, Rodríguez scored a combined 24 points.

His role is surely on the rise, though, even if he's not living up to his pass-first reputation. Rodríguez, who spent much of Sunday playing with fellow point guard Beno Udrih, hit 9 of 14 shots. Only Tyreke Evans had more attempts, hitting just 6 of 15. Rodríguez has scored in double digits in three of the last four games.

While Rodríguez hasn't had the consistent playing time he sought, he said Sacramento remains a good fit because of the like-minded Westphal.

"We see basketball different," Rodríguez said of he and McMillan. "It's a hard thing to have with your boss when they see something totally different from what you see. … I was wishing to be in a spot where everybody (saw) basketball like me, and coach Westphal (does). He likes to enjoy basketball, to be flashy, and to win games."

After a 26-26 first-quarter tie in which forward Jason Thompson (22 points, 14 rebounds) did most of the heavy lifting, Rodríguez scored 11 points in the second quarter, when the Kings pulled away for a 57-45 halftime lead. He finished even stronger, scoring 13 fourth-quarter points to help the Kings pull away.

"Sergio been a complete pro," said Westphal, who was without the services of center Spencer Hawes (bruised right knee, day-to-day). "He has kind of kicked the door down (toward earning minutes) with the way he played in practice … and his stints get longer and longer."

 

[BBert]

I am very happy for Sergio. I predicted his shooting would improve under a different coach and system. He's playing so much better and more efficiently than our point guards it's hilarious. I'd love it if he can keep it up.

OT: How about this quote:

Also, Paul Westphal? Season ticket holders should charge you one dollar, per person, for every game that you continue to start Kenny Thomas.

Substitute "Nate" and "Blankey" and that's a good idea right there.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I wonder if losing Sergio hasn't had a bad effect on team morale. As I understand it (and HCP could confirm/deny this) Sergio was one of the most outgoing Blazers (along with Outlaw) last year and really got on well not just with Rudy but also with Aldridge, one of the more withdrawn guys. Replacing him with an almost recluse like Miller must be a bit of a shock.

 

[PapaG]

I wonder if losing Sergio hasn't had a bad effect on team morale. As I understand it (and HCP could confirm/deny this) Sergio was one of the most outgoing Blazers (along with Outlaw) last year and really got on well not just with Rudy but also with Aldridge, one of the more withdrawn guys. Replacing him with an almost recluse like Miller must be a bit of a shock.

According to the resident experts here, team morale and issues like chemistry and egos do not matter. Or, the players from last year need to adapt to the new veteran.

 

[KingSpeed]

Who knew these two castoffs have been key components to the re-emergence of their respective teams. You got a guy in Frye who has stepped into the starting line-up of the Suns and is one of the reasons they have the best record in the West. Where did Frye's 3 point shooting come from? Frye has talents but the coaching staff didn't know how to use them. You got a guy in Sergio who is shooting 47.4% from behind the arc and one of the reasons why the Kings have been playing well lately in their 3 game winning streak. The Kings are 8-8 and look very much a playoff team. Frye and Sergio were misused by Nate, Nate tries to tell players to play a certain way and not use their strengths. When I look at our current roster, I can't help but think that once Bayless and Rudy leave, will they turn into better players as well?

If Rudy was a starting SG on another team, he would be dropping 40-50 point games, I have no doubt.

 

[Webster's Dictionary]

Frye had his moments two years ago, but something last year changed. It has to be somewhat related to coaching, but he couldn't hit a jumper to save his life last year. And without that, he brings little else. No, he did nothing to earn his spot, and some of that is on him, some on the coaches, but he has excelled in Phoenix's system, and with some faith put in him by the coaches. And good for him, but this was not a KP mistake. I'm beginning to come on board with thinking it is a mistake to keep Nate around, but that's another discussion.

 

[LameR]

Channing averaged a double double when Joel was hurt at the end of the 07-08 year. What else did he need to do with his chance?

That's nice and all, but last year Frye didn't take the backup power forward spot. It was his for the taking, but he didn't play well enough to deserve it. That's great that he averaged a double-double for a bit the year before. It's also great that he had an awesome rookie season, but it's not about what he's done in the past, it's about what he can produce in the now (as in last season). His production last year didn't warrant any more playing time than he got, and a lot of people last year were pulling out their hair when he was in. Let's not try to rewrite history here and say Channing Frye actually played well last year. Phoenix is just a better fit for him.

 

[BBert]

Let's not try to rewrite history here and say Channing Frye actually played well last year. Phoenix is just a better fit for him.

Exactly. I suspect there are a lot of players who "fit" better playing for someone other than Nate. Couldn't resist. I'm in a piling on Nate mood.

 

[hasoos]

The only player I can think of who didn't thrive in a D'antoni running type system is Marcus Banks. Almost all players havea huge increase in stats just due to the larger number of posessions in a game. If you love stats, its great. If you like to win championships, it is not.

 

[magnifier661]

Who knew these two castoffs have been key components to the re-emergence of their respective teams. You got a guy in Frye who has stepped into the starting line-up of the Suns and is one of the reasons they have the best record in the West. Where did Frye's 3 point shooting come from? Frye has talents but the coaching staff didn't know how to use them. You got a guy in Sergio who is shooting 47.4% from behind the arc and one of the reasons why the Kings have been playing well lately in their 3 game winning streak. The Kings are 8-8 and look very much a playoff team. Frye and Sergio were misused by Nate, Nate tries to tell players to play a certain way and not use their strengths. When I look at our current roster, I can't help but think that once Bayless and Rudy leave, will they turn into better players as well?

Especially Fernandez. The dude can ball if given the damn keys. I really wouldn't mind if Nate said FUCK IT. Benched Blake and Miller, moved Roy to point and had Rudy start at SG.

 

[blue32]

Especially Fernandez. The dude can ball if given the damn keys. I really wouldn't mind if Nate said FUCK IT. Benched Blake and Miller, moved Roy to point and had Rudy start at SG.

I did that in my NBA2k10 roster

 

[magnifier661]

I did that in my NBA2k10 roster

It should be. People make mistakes, and I think KP made one with grabbing Miller. Nothing wrong with Miller, just that this team is now straddling the fence. They are being pulled in so many directions, it reminds me of those old cartoons with the dude saying "Which way did he go? Which way did he go?"

Easy fix is to start Fernandez, trade Miller and package him up with someone else for a better back up at PF, Dante backing up webs, until Outlaw or Batum comes back. And Blake is a PG, pure and simple. Screw his playing "out of position" shit. No one on this team should be playing out of position. We have too much talent wasted doing this.

 

[LittleAlex]

If Rudy was a starting SG on another team, he would be dropping 40-50 point games, I have no doubt.

I love Rudy's game, but this might be a tad bit of an exageration.

20 PPG is not out of the question though.

He could be the Spanish Reggie Miller on a different team.

And he probably will be that guy when his contract is up and he moves on.

 

[LittleAlex]

The only player I can think of who didn't thrive in a D'antoni running type system is Marcus Banks. Almost all players havea huge increase in stats just due to the larger number of posessions in a game. If you love stats, its great. If you like to win championships, it is not.

I think the real key is having Nash as a team mate. Guy's numbers are a bit better then normal on the Knicks, but Nash can make an average player look good.

The moral of the story is a great point guard makes everyone around him better as long as he is allowed some amount of free reign.