Game 62 Bruins vs. Rangers

[kreidertime]

Keep your pecker in your pants mrmel.

 

[kreidertime]

Amazed it's 2-1 at this point. Kane still has his head up his ass.

 

[Ranger71]

These guys are trying too hard to be unselfish on the pp. Fox as usual just does not shoot enough.

 

[kreidertime]

As usual moronic penalties.

 

[Ranger71]

Fucking Panarin..

 

[Stepupstepan]

Drury and Gallant are two buffoons

 

[kreidertime]

That line has sucked so far.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Go get another Kane, Drury. Stupid fuck.

 

[Malcom]

Oh well, great shot but that's the game.

 

[Disturbed]

Not a good game but can’t read that much into it. Missing top 2 D-Men and they just need more time together offensively.

Boston is just a heavy team and not a good matchup but relax. They have a lot of time to figure this out.

 

[NYR Fan]

It's like I said before the game, the Rangers new season starts Thursday. They'll have plenty of practice time between now and then, it will be the first time in 4 or 5 games they'll have a full roster, Miller will be back, and hopefully at least Lindgren will be back if not Motte as well. I'll judge them from then on.

But with that said, if Kane, Panarin, Fox don't play the right way we will be in trouble. None of them even look at the net. Ferarro just called Panarin out. To me that will be the true test of Gallant. Does he have the balls to call them on it, and hold them accountable if they don't, and will he separate Panarin/Kane if they defer to each other all the time.

 

[Disturbed]

Yup. It’s gonna take a couple of weeks to get chemistry going. It’s fine. If they aren’t playing well together in mid-March then I will be a lot more concerned.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Gallant looks completely lost on the bench. Two weeks to figure this out? You can’t change players like Panarin and Kane. They’re going to play the way they fuck they want.

 

[Rangers94]

If they can’t get it figured out for Montreal then we should be concerned about Pitt catching us as we have to face them 3 times in a week. Getting Kane was stupid with Tarasenko already here. You either get Kane OR Tarasenko, not both. Not when the defense has looked as shaky as it has all season and Igor hasn’t been himself and needs more help from his dmen. We will make the playoffs but if this team can’t wake up and keeps playing soft, it’ll be a one and done playoff run.

 

[Disturbed]

It’s absurd to play the best team in the league missing your top 2 defensive D-Men and have Kane play his 2nd gm and assume they can’t improve a lot. That’s crazy dude. Panarin turnovers are beyond frustrating but you gotta give it time especially the PP.

 

[NYR Fan]

They are going to be who they are, but they also have good track records in the playoffs, especially Kane. So they can play playoff hockey. They just cannot get caught up in each other and being fancy trying to set each other up. You may have to split them up. Maybe separate the invisible kid line also. Don't know, but now they'll get time together to find out.

I get it, again all emotion in here, but the past 5 games or so this team has played short roster, missing 1 or 2 of their top 4 dmen, still trying to integrate Tara, now trying to integrate Kane. You heard Ferraro say it also, PP1 looks like players who haven't played together before (one aside on the PP - having Z play the bumper role is asinine - please put him back in the shooting spot).

You also heard Ferraro say the Rangers are in an interesting spot, pretty much locked into 3rd in the Met, cannot move up or down, so now is the time to find the right mix.

I am not saying they/Gallant will, not sure if they will, but they deserve these 5 days to finally come together, practice, and then field a full team before I pass judgement.

 

[Rangers94]

They are going to be who they are, but they also have good track records in the playoffs, especially Kane. So they can play playoff hockey. They just cannot get caught up in each other and being fancy trying to set each other up. You may have to split them up. Maybe separate the invisible kid line also. Don't know, but now they'll get time together to find out.

I get it, again all emotion in here, but the past 5 games or so this team has played short roster, missing 1 or 2 of their top 4 dmen, still trying to integrate Tara, now trying to integrate Kane. You heard Ferraro say it also, PP1 looks like players who haven't played together before (one aside on the PP - having Z play the bumper role is asinine - please put him back in the shooting spot).

You also heard Ferraro say the Rangers are in an interesting spot, pretty much locked into 3rd in the Met, cannot move up or down, so now is the time to find the right mix.

I am not saying they/Gallant will, not sure if they will, but they deserve these 5 days to finally come together, practice, and then field a full team before I pass judgement.

Saying we are locked into the 3 spot when Pitt has two games in hand, we play them 3 times in a week and we are slumping this badly is not true. Would it take a huge collapse to lose that spot, yes. But based upon how this team has played the last 3 weeks it’s not out of the question. If that collapse does happen and we fall to 4, Gallant needs to be shown the door because that’s a REALLY bad month and a half of hockey and with this roster it falls on him for not making sure we are more defensively sound in our zone.

 

[Rangers94]

And like I said, it’s not just this last week, it’s been going on for 3 weeks now. We’ve lost 6 of the last 8. That’s not good no matter what excuse you want to use. We need to get healthy, but I didn’t like the Kane trade with us having Tarasenko already. Hopefully I’m wrong though and we figure it out because on paper this is a great team….on the ice we look lost and confused.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Kane was a luxury and not necessity. I understand he was available for cheap however that does not mean you have to go out and get him if he is not a fit. No wonder Chicago has sucked the last five years. He acts so entitled but plays without any emotion on the ice. Just floats around, does not back check, does not get into anyone’s face. Emotionless vanilla player who was a stud when he was in his twenties.

 

[NYR Fan]

Could we completely collapse, lose all 3 times to the Pens, and end up as the top WC playing the Met winning Devs/Canes in round 1, sure it is possible, but just know that is what it will take, a collapse, and the Pens playing well. Of course there is always a chance anything can happen, but the odds are heavily against it.

Again, when a guy like Kane wants to be here, and we have to give a couple of picks to get him, you have to do it. I hope you also understand that if we didn't add Kane we were done pretty much, it didn't stop some other big move. We had 900 K left in cap space, and would not have jumped through hoops to get more like we did for Kane unless it was Kane, and we knew he was coming only here. So maybe we add a depth 4th liner that would have played with Goodrow and Motte, a Bjugstad type, but that's it. I'll take Kane in that situation. It was Kane or maybe, and no guarantee, a 4th line small bump.

 

[NYR Fan]

Kane was a luxury and not necessity. I understand he was available for cheap however that does not mean you have to go out and get him if he is not a fit. No wonder Chicago has sucked the last five years. He acts so entitled but plays without any emotion on the ice. Just floats around, does not back check, does not get into anyone’s face. Emotionless vanilla player who was a stud when he was in his twenties.

Ridiculous. Kane has won 3 cups, and been a huge playoff performer. The Hawks have been bad in spite of his great play - 92 points in 78 games last season. Don't make up your BS because you would have rather have done nothing than add Kane for very little.

 

[PorterPanzer]

They just played the best team in NHL history at this point of the season and surprisingly ran out of gas playing down 2 men but when you watch every game through Hatervision the sky continues to fall. I still don't understand why the NHL wouldn't let the Rangers use an emergency call up or how often the request is denied by the NHL. Highly unlikely the guys out there will fail to gel after a few practices.

 

[kreidertime]

Rangers haven’t played good team defense since Gallant was the coach. Shesterkin just played out of his mind all last year to bail them out.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Ridiculous. Kane has won 3 cups, and been a huge playoff performer. The Hawks have been bad in spite of his great play - 92 points in 78 games last season. Don't make up your BS because you would have rather have done nothing than add Kane for very little.

I did not say not to add anything. They needed to complement Tarasenko trade with another top six forward who is not past his prime and plays more north south hockey with grit. And the last time Kane played in the playoffs was so long ago. Chicago has been irrelevant for the past 7 years. Isn’t he the top dog who is supposed to lead the team?

 

[NYR Fan]

They had very little cap space after the Tara and Motte deals, like 900 K. Here were the choices - add Kane or add a 4th line little bump like a Bjugstad type. Those were the choices.

And don't give me they afforded Kane, so they could have added someone else. Drury was not going to make the deals he made, send players down, play short handed, give up a pick to a 3rd team to eat some money for anyone but a Kane type who said flat out trade me to the NYR or I go nowhere.

Again, I know it doesn't fit the narrative of if we didn't add Kane, who plays the style we didn't need to add, we could have added some other big player that plays the style we want. That was not happening - period. It was Kane because he said NYR or bust, and didn't cost a lot, or a minor 4th line bump MAYBE (and that is a big maybe since they added Motte for a 4th line bump and may have been done). That was the choice. And Kane is still a very good player at worst. 10 points in 4 games before the trade. 92 points in 78 games last year (why do we keep dismissing that). So still at worst very good.

The one 2nd guess you could make was since Kane came to us anyway, maybe we should have taken O'Reilly from the Blues instead of Tara, but who knew we'd get Kane also, and who knows if the Blues make the exact trade with O'Reilly in for Tara.

 

[Rangers94]

They had very little cap space after the Tara and Motte deals, like 900 K. Here were the choices - add Kane or add a 4th line little bump like a Bjugstad type. Those were the choices.

And don't give me they afforded Kane, so they could have added someone else. Drury was not going to make the deals he made, send players down, play short handed, give up a pick to a 3rd team to eat some money for anyone but a Kane type who said flat out trade me to the NYR or I go nowhere.

Again, I know it doesn't fit the narrative of if we didn't add Kane, who plays the style we didn't need to add, we could have added some other big player that plays the style we want. That was not happening - period. It was Kane because he said NYR or bust, and didn't cost a lot, or a minor 4th line bump MAYBE (and that is a big maybe since they added Motte for a 4th line bump and may have been done). That was the choice. And Kane is still a very good player at worst. 10 points in 4 games before the trade. 92 points in 78 games last year (why do we keep dismissing that). So still at worst very good.

The one 2nd guess you could make was since Kane came to us anyway, maybe we should have taken O'Reilly from the Blues instead of Tara, but who knew we'd get Kane also, and who knows if the Blues make the exact trade with O'Reilly in for Tara.

I’m not saying don’t add Kane, but then we didn’t need Tarasenko and could’ve used that cap space on something more. Kane, Tarasenko, Panarin are carbon copies of each other. Outside, perimeter players on offense who would rather do suicides than back check. That’s what’s frustrating. We should’ve done the Kane trade and not the Tarasenko trade. It is what it is at this point, but when you look at these playoff teams, I really can’t see this team beating anyone if they don’t wake the fuck up and snap outta the funk they’ve been in for the last three weeks. The talent is there offensively and in goal. Defensively we are shaky as fuck in our zone. And Drury did not do this team any favors as we made these trades for guys in a year where the team feels much more incomplete than they did last year when they were a year ahead. This years performance is what I expected last year.

 

[NYR Fan]

With that said, full honesty, I am concerned. I said that after the Ottawa game. The playoffs is a gritty North-South grind. We are not built that way. It greatly concerns me. I think we are really going to be up against it in round 1 against CAR or NJ. We absolutely could be one and done and it wouldn't be an upset.

I standby my comments that the 3rd line will be the decider for us, and if we can get through to Kane and Panarin they must be aggressive and shoot more. If Gallant doesn't, and doesn't hold them accountable we will not go far. It is embarrassing sometimes as they don't even give a hint of looking at the net to shoot. The two games together have been really bad in that regard. I told you what I would say if I was Gallant, Kane/Panarin, I know you guys want to play together. I will give you that opportunity, but if you don't play aggressive and shoot more, I will have to break you up. That simple.

Also, regarding this years team vs. last years team. No doubt this years team has more talent. Kane, Tara, Tro over Strome, Mikkola over Braun. Just a more talented team. BUT you could argue last years team was better equipped for playoff hockey. Grit with Copp, shoot first mentality with Vatrano fitting in perfectly on the 1st line, chemistry between Strome and Panarin, Reaves and some grit in the lineup. So yeah more talented this year for sure, but we'll see if that means better equipped to win rounds in the playoffs.

 

[NYR Fan]

I’m not saying don’t add Kane, but then we didn’t need Tarasenko and could’ve used that cap space on something more. Kane, Tarasenko, Panarin are carbon copies of each other. Outside, perimeter players on offense who would rather do suicides than back check. That’s what’s frustrating. We should’ve done the Kane trade and not the Tarasenko trade. It is what it is at this point, but when you look at these playoff teams, I really can’t see this team beating anyone if they don’t wake the fuck up and snap outta the funk they’ve been in for the last three weeks. The talent is there offensively and in goal. Defensively we are shaky as fuck in our zone. And Drury did not do this team any favors as we made these trades for guys in a year where the team feels much more incomplete than they did last year when they were a year ahead. This years performance is what I expected last year.

I agree with your point on Tara and Kane, but I fully believe Drury had moved on from Kane when he added Tara, and then he was pulled back in by Kane's reaction and his camp being clear he wanted to be a NYR or bust. If you gave Drury truth serum after the Tara deal, he would have said no way we add Kane. He made his choice of Tara over Kane based on where things stood at that time. Then Kane fell into his lap. That is why I said one second guess is they should have targeted O'Reilly over Tara because they ended up with Kane.

It is really tough to get on Drury for not seeing how the Kane situation was going to play out, that was hard to predict. When he got Tara everyone said wow what an amazing deal. Plus do not forget we also got Mikkola, a clear 3rd pair upgrade, with size, completes the D with Schneider well.

Also on the D, what do you do? On paper the Rangers D is very strong. Norris winning Fox with stay at home tough in his own end Lindgren. All the talent in the world Miller with tough, shot blocking, hitting, Captain Trouba. And he upgraded to Mikkola to play with tough, growing, learning Schneider. What else do you want Drury to do? Who do you cut/replace there? You want someone a bit better than Mikkola to play with Schneider? Well Mikkola is better than any partner Schneider has had, and is much better than Braun from last year. Plus he is a 3rd pair guy, not make or break. You deal Lindgren or Miller? Not sure what you think the move is to improve the on paper very good D.

 

[NYR Fan]

Pens lost tonight - perfect example of why we will finish ahead of them unless they sweep 3 from us. Despite the sky falling, we will win our fair share of games. The Pens will also lose games. That is how this will go. If we play even .500 the rest of the way, the Pens need to get 70% of their remaining points to finish ahead of us. Very unlikely both happen.

 

[Disturbed]

I just got back from a long hiatus and this board is already in meltdown mode on Kane.

RELAX

He’s a playmaker and a goal scorer. He’s probably the best American born hockey player ever and he’s definitely lost a step from his peak but he’s still very good and he’s also a very good playoff guy. Give him some time. Grit and sandpaper is important it’s also overrated. If we learned nothing else from the Torts years with Hank in net in all those 2-1 playoff games.

Kane is going to figure things out and do what he always does. Create offense and make players around him better.

in some ways the Rangers are in perfect spot. Sandwiched in 3rd in Met where they can get Senko and Kane adjusted. Next few days will be great for both before Montreal Thursday.