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BLAZER PROPHET

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During the Obama administration we have come into incredible new technologies with respect to drilling for shale gas and oil that is allowing us to cut a lot of our dependence on foreign gas and oil. Also, the coal industry is being systematically shut down- for better or worse. Here are 3 short articles. All this makes me wonder how it will effect and shape the next 100 years with respect to energy in this country. It also seems to me gasoline prices should stabilize low and how this will effect other technologies such as electric cars...

http://www.realclearenergy.org/arti...r_worse_big_oil_has_big_us_future_107125.html

http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2013/09/27/obamas_war_on_coal_has_run_amok_107263.html

http://www.realclearenergy.org/charticles/2013/10/03/us_passes_russia_on_oil_and_gas_107273.html
 
dude, starting a heavy OT thread during the game on Opening Night? Hard core. ;)
 
I do find it not at all surprising the US is now THE number one oil producer in the world and yet the gasoline prices have barely gone down. "Drill baby, Drill" was a big myth. The companies want to turn a profit, SHOCKING I know, and it won't help our automobiles.
 
Eastoff said:
I do find it not at all surprising the US is now THE number one oil producer in the world and yet the gasoline prices have barely gone down. "Drill baby, Drill" was a big myth. The companies want to turn a profit, SHOCKING I know, and it won't help our automobiles.
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I was wondering about that, too. I would think our gas prices would better reflect this. Me thinks we're being gouged.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I was wondering about that, too. I would think our gas prices would better reflect this. Me thinks we're being gouged.
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I don't think we're being gouged, I think they are turning a profit in China and India. That Keystone pipeline is bullshit, and the oil terminal in Vancouver is just as bad. It brings some jobs, but they are going to cause our oil prices to go up here.
 
Eastoff said:
I don't think we're being gouged, I think they are turning a profit in China and India. That Keystone pipeline is bullshit, and the oil terminal in Vancouver is just as bad. It brings some jobs, but they are going to cause our oil prices to go up here.
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While I can appreciate Obama's wanting to redefine energy policy and support his efforts for reducing pollution, the end result of more affordable energy costs seems to be failing.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
While I can appreciate Obama's wanting to redefine energy policy and support his efforts for reducing pollution, the end result of more affordable energy costs seems to be failing.
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Actually, reducing the foot print of man is naturally done by having less men, Having a liberal, more "fair" immigration policy doesn't accomplish that goal. While it may get him and his elected, but perhaps only until
they figure out he intends them to live without fire.
 
Eastoff said:
It is earthquakes and poisoning ground water. Ground water will be a vital commodity even if global warming isn't as bad as some think.
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Just so I understand, this is intended to be in green, right?
 
Eastoff said:
No, I am quite serious. Why would this be sarcastic? Do you disagree with the statements I made?
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yeah, I do. thought you wee saying that in jest. I have no desire to debate it with you if you truly believe what you wrote. We are diametrically opposed on this issue.
 
As China's and India's economies continue to fully develop and its people become more affluent, demand for energy is only going to increase ... geometrically. We'll never see gasoline prices return to the low prices of the past; those days are long gone.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
yeah, I do. thought you wee saying that in jest. I have no desire to debate it with you if you truly believe what you wrote. We are diametrically opposed on this issue.
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I'm just curious which specifics you disagree with being true?
Fracking causes earthquakes.
Fracking causes pollution in ground water.
Ground water will continue to be a valuable commodity.
Globabl warming is a trend.
 
Ok, you ask in earnest.

I have done a lot of reading on this issue, to say that it causes earthquakes is a major over reach. You can build a theory that it may contribute, but there is nothing conclusive that points to as having been the cause.

There has never been a proven case of ground water pollution. The one case that I read up on was proven to be false. The water in the area was already tainted, If I remember it was a high mineral content that was pre existing and the people were blaming the fracking to get them selves out of financial trouble.

To say that ground water is not valuable would be silly, of course it is.

Global warming is a trend..if you refer to trend as a pattern unique or recurring. I suppose it is a trend. I would counter that you can say that about any weather shift. I can make such a statement about ice ages. Neither would be wrong, nor would they be conclusive.
 
Eastoff said:
I do find it not at all surprising the US is now THE number one oil producer in the world and yet the gasoline prices have barely gone down. "Drill baby, Drill" was a big myth. The companies want to turn a profit, SHOCKING I know, and it won't help our automobiles.
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You'd think we could run those refineries we have at 120% capacity instead of the 110% capacity they've been running since the 1970s.



October 18, 2013 3:25 AM

In recent weeks, economists have been worrying about the negative impact of the now-ended government shutdown and potential debt crisis.

But away from Capitol Hill, the economy has been getting a big boost: Gasoline prices have been declining, week after week. In some parts of the country, a gallon of unleaded regular gasoline is now down to less than $3 a gallon — a price most Americans haven't seen in three years.
 
Eastoff said:
I don't think we're being gouged, I think they are turning a profit in China and India. That Keystone pipeline is bullshit, and the oil terminal in Vancouver is just as bad. It brings some jobs, but they are going to cause our oil prices to go up here.
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Yeah no being gouged by the oil companies. It is speculators that drive up the price on the world market

I believe that China is now the largest consumer of oil, and I also agree that profits are being made there.

I fail to understand your position on Keystone or the oil terminal in Vantuckey

Keystone has been on obamas plate for five years, and he has still not made a decision, I suppose that could be considered "Bullshit". The jobs in Vancouver will make the price of oil go up? I dont get where you are coming from with this reasoning. The whole idea is to take a product that produces a quality of oil that we can not burn in the US and send it to places that can and will consume it. The best place to send it from that benefits this region is the post of Vancouver. The number of jobs is very few directly, I agree, but at a time where every job that pays more than flipping cheese burgers is important, I would welcome thirty to fifty dollar an hour employment.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
I fail to understand your position on Keystone or the oil terminal in Vantuckey

Keystone has been on obamas plate for five years, and he has still not made a decision, I suppose that could be considered "Bullshit". The jobs in Vancouver will make the price of oil go up? I dont get where you are coming from with this reasoning. The whole idea is to take a product that produces a quality of oil that we can not burn in the US and send it to places that can and will consume it. The best place to send it from that benefits this region is the post of Vancouver. The number of jobs is very few directly, I agree, but at a time where every job that pays more than flipping cheese burgers is important, I would welcome thirty to fifty dollar an hour employment.
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My understanding on this subject, is that the oil they are producing is going to leave the country. It will increase/feed the appetite of Asia. Which will increase our costs as well. I love world peace, but I too want our country to succeed over other countries.
 
Eastoff said:
My understanding on this subject, is that the oil they are producing is going to leave the country. It will increase/feed the appetite of Asia. Which will increase our costs as well. I love world peace, but I too want our country to succeed over other countries.
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Again, the coal oil we are sending overseas is a product that is too dirty or of a poor quality that we are not allowed to use in this country as it is. The product in not cost effective to refine to the point that it can be used here. Where it is being sole they can smash it spank it and bank it.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Again, the coal oil we are sending overseas is a product that is too dirty or of a poor quality that we are not allowed to use in this country as it is. The product in not cost effective to refine to the point that it can be used here. Where it is being sole they can smash it spank it and bank it.
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Sorry I did a poor job of reading the first time. I would then default to the "clean environment" argument. Not fiscally sound right away, but long term it's better for us.
 
Arguing about the most efficient way to make sure we never switch to renewable energy sources. Like fiddling while the ship sinks.
 
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