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http://www.azfamily.com/news/Hundre...positions-at-Pros-Ranch-Market-91880224.html#

ob hunters turned out in the hundreds to fill recently-vacant positions at Pro's Ranch Market stores, where a federal audit led to the firing of some 300 workers.

Roxanne Nieves, one of the many that came out in search of a job, said she came to apply after she heard about the layoffs.

"We heard they are firing a lot of illegal people, so we're here to apply," she said.

Nonetheless, she and many others felt guilty about taking the jobs of the people who had just been fired.

"To me, it's pretty hard to see everybody losing jobs," one job hunter said.

About 300 of the 1,500 total employees at the six Phoenix supermarkets were let go this week after an Immigration and Customs Enforcement audit found them to be working illegally.

Attorney Julie Pace said the company has I-9 forms on everyone and uses E-Verify to check employees' eligibility to work, but that is not always enough.

"The company wouldn't know if someone is using counterfeit documents," Pace said.

Pace also called on the federal government to help companies comply with hiring laws.

"We need an easy program for employers to use to hire people -- safe, easy, quick -- so we don't have to deal with ICE audits," she said.

Pro's Ranch Market is among some 1,600 U.S. businesses, including 84 in Arizona, that have undergone ICE audits since July 2009.

ICE says the goal is to reduce demand for illegal employment and protect job opportunities for the nation's lawful workforce.

THEY'RE TAKING THE JOBS AMURRICANS WON'T TAKE
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Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

Shows how bad the job situation is.
 
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this shit is pretty ridiculous. other states and cities boycotting an entire state because of a law that 70% of the people want?
 
Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

this shit is pretty ridiculous. other states and cities boycotting an entire state because of a law that 70% of the people want?

What's the problem with that? SF isn't allowed to disagree with AZ?

barfo
 
Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

What's the problem with that? SF isn't allowed to disagree with AZ?

barfo

Nope.
 
Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

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Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

That's great for the people of Arizona that need work. I am happy Americans will be employed by this chain rather than people living here illegally.
 
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I hope Arizona sends a nice fruit basket to Mayor Newsom to thank him for his help keeping illegals and undesirables out of Arizona...
 
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All I know is that I am extremely happy that I bougt a few investment properties in the Phoenix area before all of this happened. My property values are going to shoot upward shortly.
 
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But all the mexican restaurants are going to get boycotted! :ohno:


all the companies will move to business-friendly, financially relevant....California!

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All I know is that I am extremely happy that I bougt a few investment properties in the Phoenix area before all of this happened. My property values are going to shoot upward shortly.

who will do your landscaping?
 
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myself? wow, cut leaves off a tree. rake leaves.
 
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That's a great story.

It makes a world more sense to me to pass a law where the state audits, say, 30% of all businesses within one calendar year, and fines every business that employs illegal workers $500/transgression. Any company found to employ illegals automatically gets audited again the second year, and if they are found to have broken the law again it goes to $10,000. If they break the law in the third year it's $50k. You pay for the auditing process with the fines.

That seems a much more effective system than telling cops to randomly ask any brown people with accents for their papers. That plan can also work, but it just needlessly foments a lot of ill will (and probably law suits) between hispanics and the larger community.
 
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When I get pulled over, the first thing asked for is my license, registration and proof of insurance. Why? B/c it's an easy and legal way to vet legal drivers committing a violation vs. illegal drivers committing a crime (driving w/suspended license or without insurance or something). Why am I asked for my ID every time I buy a beer? I'm 32 years old! But I still have to show ID, or I don't get served and could be blacklisted from bars for trying to buy without ID.

Why is it a problem to have to show someone proof of (insert whatever you want here...proof of gun ownership, proof of driving status, proof of being 21, proof of identity)? It seems a lot like gun registration...the ones who are clean don't have anything to fear registering their weapon.

Funny how the Nationalist Socialist Workers' Party came from a bunch of thugs running amok b/c there wasn't any authority to stop them at the time. It was illegal in Weimar Republic to beat up other candidates, but the Brownshirts got away with it b/c they threatened violence and riots if the law was enforced. It was illegal to influence voters at the voting booths, but no one stopped the Brownshirts b/c there would be violence and rioting from a large number of thugs. Today, it's illegal to be in this country without authorization and documentation, but people (not just Mexicans in AZ) get away with it b/c they threaten violence and riots and thuggery if the law is attempted to be enforced.

Additionally, Hitler got his powers by ensuring through thuggery that his henchmen were elected, and then having his henchmen vote for supreme powers for the Chancellor/President, including the ability to perform unconstitutional acts and pass legislation (like, say, the Nuremburg Anti-Semitism Laws). Today, the government has the ability through two branches (Congress and the Presidency) to pass legislation the President wants passed even if he gets voted out for doing so:
“I don’t know that I’ve specifically heard him on health care,” said Gibbs, “but I have heard the president say that if making tough decisions in getting important things done that Washington has failed to do for decades means that he only lives in this house and makes those decisions for four years, he’s quite comfortable,” Gibbs told reporters at the White House press briefing.

“The way he approaches this issue, the economy, Afghanistan and Iraq, any of these issues is not in a mode of self preservation, but in a mode of how best -- given all the information out there-- how best to make decisions that he thinks is in the best interest of the American people, not what’s in the best interest of his personal career,” Gibbs said.
I find it laughable that most of the people screaming "Nazi! Nazi!" have little to no idea what National Socialism is, or how Hitler came to power, or are unconcerned, b/c the rise of Obama from 2006 to today is a lot closer to the Rise of the Third Reich 1930-35 than the Tea Partiers or Arizona governors are.
The writers of SNL who did that "show us your papers' Nazi business overlooked a major point, one that I wonder why it hasn't been brought up before. The "Nazi" use of "show us your papers" meant that if you were Jewish, and got stopped by the Gestapo and found to have Jewish origin, you were sent to a concentration camp. It's not like today, where if you have papers you're following the law and if you don't you just get sent back to your own country. I'm not even Jewish, and I find it mildly offensive that uneducated hacks are spending more time tossing around names they think will influence public opinion than reading a book or two and seeing that they're going down a road much closer to the Nationalist Socialists than someone trying to enforce a federal law at a state level.
 
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Well, the frothy liberal nutjobs are just making themselves look bad.
 
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Why is it a problem to have to show someone proof of (insert whatever you want here...proof of gun ownership, proof of driving status, proof of being 21, proof of identity)? It seems a lot like gun registration...the ones who are clean don't have anything to fear registering their weapon.

Because they're not going to ask everyone on the street. That's obvious, since there aren't the resources, nor would it be practical. The law enjoins the police to ask those that arouse "suspicion" about their immigration status. This seems like (extremely) thinly-veiled racial profiling, because I am fairly sure that the only people who will arouse suspicion are ones who fit people's prejudices for what an "illegal immigrant" looks like.

So, a better example would be if police were asked to stop drivers who haven't committed any traffic violation if the officer has any suspicion that the driver may be committing a crime (that they haven't yet seen). This has already shown to end up meaning "stop black men."

I think there's a big problem with an arbitrary stop-and-deliver policy, because it's almost assuredly going to devolve into prejudice. In fact, I see no way this could be done otherwise.
 
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You mean like a bunch of mexicans hanging out at Home Depot?
 
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I think the average American cop already has too much power. Anything that adds to their sense of power isn't a big win in my book. Telling cops that they can stop any brown person they want and demand paperwork just seems like a recipe for assholish behavior by the police.

Funny enough, I'm actually all for beefing up our police force population. If we could halve the number of prisons and double the number of police, I think we'd have a safer and fairer society for a lot less money. And if they catch somebody in the act of committing an alleged crime, be it murder or jaywalking, I have no problem with them asking for proof of legal residency.

But telling cops they have the right to stop and interrogate people without any just cause beyond being brown and having an accent just creeps me out.
 
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Probable cause much?
 
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cops can stop and interrogate anyone they want to right now and ask for a license and registration. What's the big deal about asking for other ID? Other than, people here illegally will now be caught. :dunno:
 
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That seems a much more effective system than telling cops to randomly ask any brown people with accents for their papers. That plan can also work, but it just needlessly foments a lot of ill will (and probably law suits) between hispanics and the larger community.

Do you know anything about the actual law that's been passed?

:)

It requires "legitimate contact" . http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm

While legitimate contact is not defined within the statute (or anywhere else, as far as I can tell) it would go against common sense for "legitimate contact" to extend into illegal/discriminatory initiation of investigations.

Ed O.
 
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/ar...te_contact_versus_racial_profiling.html?cat=9

Legitimate Contact Versus Racial Profiling

With the passing of Arizona's new immigration law, SB 1070, there seems to be a significant amount of confusion as to what constitutes "legitimate contact." Per SB 1070's Fact Sheet:

"Requires a reasonable attempt to be made to determine the immigration status of a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision (political subdivision) if reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S."

Those in opposition of the Arizona immigration law believe it will encourage racial profiling. They interpret legitimate contact to mean that a cop can require identification from anyone at any time for any reason and believe that brown people throughout Arizona will be unfairly targeted, without just cause.

Others define legitimate contact as when a police officer has a legal reason to approach a person who has committed a violation, such as a traffic violation or other crime. By this definition, an Arizona cop couldn't demand identification from just any passing Joe. They would only be able to request someone's identification after a crime or grievance had occurred, which doesn't at all constitute racial profiling. As it stands, cops are permitted, if not required to obtain ID from a suspect throughout all 50 states. This new law wouldn't be much of a leap, if at all, from typical police procedure.

While the issue of how Arizona intends to tackle immigration should be left up to the people who live within the state, it sure would be helpful if Arizona legislators would clarify "legitimate contact."
 
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Liberals need to step back and stop trying to convince people that the police are doing something illegal by profiling. The term is ILLEGAL alien or immigrant for a reason. They are here ILLEGALLY, and should be brought to justice.
 
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I can't wait til the Minutemen start patrolling around asking people for their papers.
 
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When I get pulled over, the first thing asked for is my license, registration and proof of insurance. Why? B/c it's an easy and legal way to vet legal drivers committing a violation vs. illegal drivers committing a crime (driving w/suspended license or without insurance or something). Why am I asked for my ID every time I buy a beer? I'm 32 years old! But I still have to show ID, or I don't get served and could be blacklisted from bars for trying to buy without ID.

Why is it a problem to have to show someone proof of (insert whatever you want here...proof of gun ownership, proof of driving status, proof of being 21, proof of identity)? It seems a lot like gun registration...the ones who are clean don't have anything to fear registering their weapon.

Isn't the difference that this law allows police to ask anyone who looks like he MIGHT be here illegally? If you get pulled over and asked for all that stuff, it is because you did something wrong. If you get carded to buy drinks, it is because you want to purchase something that you must be 21 to get. But if I understand this correctly, they can just stop someone on the street and ask for proof of citizenship? That is pretty silly if true.

Not only is that a lot of government intervention in private life, but it just reeks of racial profiling. I'm guessing if they see two Mexicans in an old pickup truck they will pull that thing over and ask for proof of citizenship.
 
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Isn't the difference that this law allows police to ask anyone who looks like he MIGHT be here illegally? If you get pulled over and asked for all that stuff, it is because you did something wrong. If you get carded to buy drinks, it is because you want to purchase something that you must be 21 to get. But if I understand this correctly, they can just stop someone on the street and ask for proof of citizenship? That is pretty silly if true.

Not only is that a lot of government intervention in private life, but it just reeks of racial profiling. I'm guessing if they see two Mexicans in an old pickup truck they will pull that thing over and ask for proof of citizenship.


I was stopped in my neighborhood about 2 months ago because I drove a black Lexus. It seems that somoene driving a black Lexus about 2 hours prior had tried to abduct a child about 60 miles away from where I was at the time. I did nothing wrong, but when I was pulled over, with my children in the car, the officer asked for my info. As a law obiding citizen, I was happy to oblige, and hoped they caught the piece of shit that was breaking the law. As tax paying legal citizens in the US, why wouldn' the two Mexican gentlemen in the old truck be happy the police were trying to stop crime? because IT IS A CRIME TO BE IN THE US ILLEGALLY
 
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/29/national/main6442729.shtml?tag=stack

oh noez. :ohno:

Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.

Arizona's sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won't take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state's underground economy.

"Nobody wants to pick us up," Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.

Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.
 
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Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.

Arizona's sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won't take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state's underground economy.

"Nobody wants to pick us up," Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.

Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.





Ugh. The ONLY problem I have is the kids born in the US. Why should they be shipped off to Mexico? They are technically US citizens. Stupid 14th amendment
 

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