Germany's rich ask to be taxed more

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Outdone by the Germans? :sigh:

I can think of 30 Americans right off the bat who could pony up if they were that patriotic and grateful.
 
US tax forms have a line item for contributing more than what you owe, just because you're a good guy. And you don't have to take all the deductions you're due.

So, Maris, have you ever contributed even $10 more than what you owed? Not like you have to be rich to do something like that.
 
Denny Crane said:
US tax forms have a line item for contributing more than what you owe, just because you're a good guy. And you don't have to take all the deductions you're due.

So, Maris, have you ever contributed even $10 more than what you owed? Not like you have to be rich to do something like that.
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Denny Crane said:
US tax forms have a line item for contributing more than what you owe, just because you're a good guy. And you don't have to take all the deductions you're due.

So, Maris, have you ever contributed even $10 more than what you owed? Not like you have to be rich to do something like that.
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Denny,you know in Oregon they have many special donations you can do directly through your taxes? For example, you can elect to give money to child abuse prevention, wildlife preservation, etc. My money is on Maris to have given money that way..lessening his tax refund (if he got one).
 
I enjoyed this portion of the article (bolded part added by me)

Signatory Peter Vollmer told AFP news agency he was supporting the proposal because he had inherited "a lot of money I do not need".
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When money comes easily to you, you don't appreciate it. Most people I know with money worked hard for it. Shouldn't it be their decision whether or not they're willing to part with an excess amount? I know for a fact the IRS takes donations in cash, check, money order and credit card.
 
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yakbladder said:
Denny,you know in Oregon they have many special donations you can do directly through your taxes? For example, you can elect to give money to child abuse prevention, wildlife preservation, etc. My money is on Maris to have given money that way..lessening his tax refund (if he got one).
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huh.

The government needs all the money it can get. What's Maris doing getting a refund?

I don't mean to pick on him.

In general, why do people say "the rich need to pay more!" and don't lead by example? You want to get $10,000 out of some rich guy, then wouldn't paying an additional $10 be progressive?
 
Denny Crane said:
In general, why do people say "the rich need to pay more!" and don't lead by example? You want to get $10,000 out of some rich guy, then wouldn't paying an additional $10 be progressive?
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Yeah, why aren't taxes voluntary? It's a mystery, all right.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yeah, why aren't taxes voluntary? It's a mystery, all right.

barfo
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There's a minimum amount you're required to pay. You can pay more if you wish. In fact, I recall you saying you were contemplating purchasing a Tesla, which, according to this link costs $109K: http://autos.yahoo.com/tesla/

Since you believe in all these wonderful programs and "sharing the wealth", why don't you share that $109K you planned to shell out for that car? I'll be interested if you write the IRS a $109K check. Scan a cashed check to the IRS for $109K on this site and you can begin to have some credibility. Until then, you're just another left-wing hypocrite.
 
maxiep said:
There's a minimum amount you're required to pay. You can pay more if you wish. In fact, I recall you saying you were contemplating purchasing a Tesla, which, according to this link costs $109K: http://autos.yahoo.com/tesla/

Since you believe in all these wonderful programs and "sharing the wealth", why don't you share that $109K you planned to shell out for that car? I'll be interested if you write the IRS a $109K check. Scan a cashed check to the IRS for $109K on this site and you can begin to have some credibility. Until then, you're just another left-wing hypocrite.
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Eh? I'm a hypocrite if I spend money on a car instead of on voluntary taxes? How does that work, exactly?

I'm willing to pay more taxes, as long as those in a similar situation as me also pay more taxes. I'm not willing - and very very few people are - to pay taxes that others in equivalent circumstances do not. I don't see what's hypocritical about that.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Eh? I'm a hypocrite if I spend money on a car instead of on voluntary taxes? How does that work, exactly?

I'm willing to pay more taxes, as long as those in a similar situation as me also pay more taxes. I'm not willing - and very very few people are - to pay taxes that others in equivalent circumstances do not. I don't see what's hypocritical about that.

barfo
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If you think the govt. needs more of our money, yet won't contribute $.01 more than what they take (take being a word chosen deliberately), then isn't it hypocritical?
 
barfo said:
Eh? I'm a hypocrite if I spend money on a car instead of on voluntary taxes? How does that work, exactly?

I'm willing to pay more taxes, as long as those in a similar situation as me also pay more taxes. I'm not willing - and very very few people are - to pay taxes that others in equivalent circumstances do not. I don't see what's hypocritical about that.

barfo
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Sweet. I want to buy the house on Jantzen Island, but I don't want to pay the full $18MM for it. How about if I get people who make as much or more than I do and force them to chip in to pay what I'm not willing to?

Be the change you wish to see in the world, barfo. Be the change.
 
Denny Crane said:
If you think the govt. needs more of our money, yet won't contribute $.01 more than what they take (take being a word chosen deliberately), then isn't it hypocritical?
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Remember in Germany these are people at the top end of the tax bracket who are voluntarily paying more. Lead by example from the top, right?

If 100,000 of us at the lower ends banded together and paid more income tax:

A) it wouldn't make much difference at all
B) it still wouldn't get around the point of the posting/article that the rich in Germany have learned that they don't need all of that money and that the good of society (w/o defeating the ability to make more money) outweighs them being able to buy some 24K gold toilet paper.
 
yakbladder said:
Remember in Germany these are people at the top end of the tax bracket who are voluntarily paying more. Lead by example from the top, right?

If 100,000 of us at the lower ends banded together and paid more income tax:

A) it wouldn't make much difference at all
B) it still wouldn't get around the point of the posting/article that the rich in Germany have learned that they don't need all of that money and that the good of society (w/o defeating the ability to make more money) outweighs them being able to buy some 24K gold toilet paper.
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Instead of asking those who have worked hard and achieved some financial success to pay your way, why don't you dedicate your life to making more money so you can give it all away?:dunno:
 
Denny Crane said:
If you think the govt. needs more of our money, yet won't contribute $.01 more than what they take (take being a word chosen deliberately), then isn't it hypocritical?
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No, that's ridiculous. I think my neighbors house needs a paint job. Am I a hypocrite for not painting it? I think we need to study distant planets. Am I a hypocrite for not going myself?

barfo
 
maxiep said:
Sweet. I want to buy the house on Jantzen Island, but I don't want to pay the full $18MM for it. How about if I get people who make as much or more than I do and force them to chip in to pay what I'm not willing to?
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If you owning the house will have sufficient benefits for society in general, and if the duly elected government agrees, then I think that would be fine.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If you owning the house will have sufficient benefits for society in general, and if the duly elected government agrees, then I think that would be fine.

barfo
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Makes me happier, makes my current neighbors happier, people don't have to see me go out and get the paper in my boxers. I think we can argue putting me on an island would increase the overall level of happiness of society. Make it happen, barfo!
 
maxiep said:
Instead of asking those who have worked hard and achieved some financial success to pay your way, why don't you dedicate your life to making more money so you can give it all away?:dunno:
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Again, you're totally missing the point of my posting, since I haven't asked anything of anybody...

But okay..
 
barfo said:
No, that's ridiculous. I think my neighbors house needs a paint job. Am I a hypocrite for not painting it? I think we need to study distant planets. Am I a hypocrite for not going myself?

barfo
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Are you a skilled painter? Are you qualified to study distant planets?

I know you are skilled at giving money away. Do you do it with your own, or just vote for others to do so?
 
I think it's entirely possible that Germany has more faith in their government than we do.
 
They need to ask the government to legislate higher taxes? That's absurd! All they have to do is write a check!
 
The petition has 44 signatories so far, and will be presented to newly re-elected Chancellor Angela Merkel.
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Or, Germany only has 44 "rich people" left, as the rest have already been taxed into the middle-class. :dunno:
 
blazerboy30 said:
Are you a skilled painter? Are you qualified to study distant planets?

I know you are skilled at giving money away. Do you do it with your own, or just vote for others to do so?
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Neither one. I don't consider it giving money away, I consider it a common investment in society. And I vote for me AND others to do so.

I'm not trying to exempt myself from contributing my fair share, nor am I volunteering to contribute more than my fair share.

barfo
 
maxiep said:
Makes me happier, makes my current neighbors happier, people don't have to see me go out and get the paper in my boxers. I think we can argue putting me on an island would increase the overall level of happiness of society. Make it happen, barfo!
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Very well. I will instruct my minions in Congress to add it to the next appropriations bill.

barfo
 
ebott said:
I think it's entirely possible that Germany has more faith in their government than we do.
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As well they should. I mean, when has the German government ever done something bad?:dunno:
 
barfo said:
Neither one. I don't consider it giving money away, I consider it a common investment in society. And I vote for me AND others to do so.

I'm not trying to exempt myself from contributing my fair share, nor am I volunteering to contribute more than my fair share.

barfo
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And there is a major difference between you and me. I give my money without expecting others to do so to charities and causes I believe serve the common good. You only want to give money if everyone else has to. I would also wager my charities use their money more efficiently than does the Federal Government.
 
By hoarding their absurd wealth, the rich assure the failure of Capitalism.
 
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