Giannis AD Both Neither (2 Viewers)

[SharpesTriumph]

???

 

[blazerkor]

I say neither. I mean if we could get Giannis for Deni, Jerami and that's it, you might consider it. If you could just give up one of Scoot or Shaedon, Jerami and just the two swaps maybe.

That said, I think there is an active market for Giannis and I think whoever takes him is going to have to overpay and I don't want that. Even at the right price point, one of the above deals, he would have to agree to sign an extension the day of the trade in order for it to make any sense at all and I don't think that would happen either.

I don't want AD at all. I actually think he has a negative value contract.

 

[wizenheimer]

kind of hard to pick an option when we don't know the cost

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Why the fuck would you give up Deni ? -- in the rumors ( fan stuff ) I am not sure I have seen Deni used in the trade cause for me that is a non starter cause Deni is going into his prime.


I offer Milwaukee starting out -- 3 firsts and the following players

Then pick Grant for salary

Then add ...

Sharpe + Kris Murray -- maybe add Scoot to deal

Period --- also not sure they would want Scoot cause I think Ryan Hollins is just as good IF not better then Scoot

I think a 3rd team might need to get involved to make things a little easier but not 100% sure on that one

 

[blazerkor]

Why the fuck would you give up Deni ? -- in the rumors ( fan stuff ) I am not sure I have seen Deni used in the trade cause for me that is a non starter cause Deni is going into his prime.


I offer Milwaukee starting out -- 3 firsts and the following players

Then pick Grant for salary

Then add ...

Sharpe + Kris Murray -- maybe add Scoot to deal

Period --- also not sure they would want Scoot cause I think Ryan Hollins is just as good IF not better then Scoot

I think a 3rd team might need to get involved to make things a little easier but not 100% sure on that one

Deni and Giannis are a terrible fit. If people can't see that I don't know what to tell them.

Great players do not always figure out how to make it work... LeBron just looked better in that series against Houston than he has at any point playing on the court with Luka because they're a bad fit, in a very similar way to Deni and Giannis.

 

[Cugel]

Giannis is older, will never stay in POR, has a weird attitude as we now know, thumbs down. Get younger not older

 

[Domihatin]

Why would ANYONE want Canthony Playvis??????

AD? More like: ADNP

AD represents:

Always Down
Already Disabled
Athletically Destroyed
Absolute Disaster
Actually Defective
Again, Doubtful
Aging Decisively
Abjectly Defunct

Please get out of here with talk of the walking injury list!!!!!!

We don't want someone who will sprain his taint or hyperextend his groin or bruise his buttocks sitting down at the bench during his first timeout or detach a retina looking at Brooke Olzendam or dislocate his jaw scarfing gum and candy at the candy box or strain his tongue or concuss his stomach or distend his glans or irritate his colon or inflame his septum or eviscerate his eyelashes or separate his MFin' unibrow!!!!!!!!

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Make the deal for Giannis.

Then make the deal for Booker.

No on AD.

It won't cost Deni. But it will include some combo of the Bucks picks, Orlando pick, Scoot, Shae, and Grant. I'm fine with that if they want to go all in. Can probably pick up some great vets at a discount because of the roster as well.

 

[RR7]

Both

 

[Ripcity4life77]

How are they a terrible fit ( Deni and G ) -- I am open to reasons and honestly I never really thought about it the fit together but I just woke up so brain not awake so will have to think on it once I am awake -- LOL

 

[RR7]

How are they a terrible fit ( Deni and G ) -- I am open to reasons and honestly I never really thought about it the fit together but I just woke up so brain not awake so will have to think on it once I am awake -- LOL

The lack of shooting/spacing with the 2, and them both occupying a similar role. But I say fuck it, let's give it a shot.

 

[julius]

Make the deal for Giannis.

Then make the deal for Booker.

No on AD.

It won't cost Deni. But it will include some combo of the Bucks picks, Orlando pick, Scoot, Shae, and Grant. I'm fine with that if they want to go all in. Can probably pick up some great vets at a discount because of the roster as well.

How do you propose they trade for Booker, and better yet, why?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Deni and Giannis are a terrible fit. If people can't see that I don't know what to tell them.

Great players do not always figure out how to make it work... LeBron just looked better in that series against Houston than he has at any point playing on the court with Luka because they're a bad fit, in a very similar way to Deni and Giannis.

Playing devil's advocate......if one gets hurt (or resting), you still have the other. And since injuries are a huge part of the game, it ain't bad to have two of them.

Plus, Giannis can play some backup center with his size. Important if Williams leaves. The bottom line is that as long as you have 3 shooters on the floor surrounding them, it can work.

That said, I am not a huge fan of Giannis' contract.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't believe either Giannis or AD are a good idea. Gauging by the rumored offer for AD from the Blazers, they don't think AD is a good idea either. I'm going to assume AD is not an option

Giannis might be an option though. And the thing that makes the 'Giannis-not-a-good-idea-for-Blazers' less not-good....bear with me a moment I seemed trapped in a double-negative vortex....ok then....what might make Giannis a better idea is to project the trajectory of the current team vs +Giannis and compare the hypothetical futures.

the current team, without major changes: going nowhere. And yeah, I know people will argue with that....I don't really care, that's my judgement based upon the context of the roster

most of the current team + Giannis: that's much more interesting, IMO. At least it is without factoring cost.

which dovetails into the Giannis +/- Deni debate. I agree with those who think they'd be a bad mesh. Both need the ball; both want to attack the paint relentlessly. Giannis is a terrible catch-n-shoot option; Deni is a little better, but not by a lot. Same for spot-up. Giannis needs the ball and Deni will be quite a bit less-Deni if he's playing off the ball

couple of other things too....If Giannis re-signs with Portland it will essentially be a super-max, probably averaging over 70M/year. If Deni re-signs it will be at least a max; but he could be eligible for a super-max. Blazers won't be able to afford both for more than a year or so. And of course, if Deni is traded for Giannis, the Blazers can probably reduce the cost of their trade assets

the catch-22 question is if Portland+Giannis-(Deni-Grant-Scoot-raft-of-picks) in a better position than now? I don't think so

 

[Domihatin]

Weird to think of starting Dame, Booker, Deni, Giannis and a better version of Donovan. Might be pretty good. Get rid of Shaedon, Scoot, Robert, Kris, Matisse....Leaving Toumani, Sidy, Vit, Yang and Love as the backups. I think this has the pieces of a great team. 3 of the 5 bench players there can shoot and maybe Sidy can work on his three and bring it up to 35%.

 

[julius]

Getting Booker AND Giannis, smfh...

Do you guys want to join the rest of us on earth please?

 

[RR7]

Getting Booker AND Giannis, smfh...

Do you guys want to join the rest of us on earth please?

We can dream of adding the Monstars, or dream of losing every game for 3 decades, but the majority of the wishes on here are far from planet earth

 

[julius]

We can dream of adding the Monstars, or dream of losing every game for 3 decades, but the majority of the wishes on here are far from planet earth

It's the setting unrealistic expectations and then complaining when said expectations don't happen that I have a problem with.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Honestly I am not sure going for that Mega star is the answer unless there is someone unhappy that we are not thinking of on a team maybe bounced early etc.. After reading some of these posts I am starting to change my mind not saying NO but it's losing steam in my head atm.

Also if we are looking for the next Deni there are not that many out there -- Trey Murphy but I do not think the Pels are trading him but who else ??

 

[blazerkor]

Honestly I am not sure going for that Mega star is the answer unless there is someone unhappy that we are not thinking of on a team maybe bounced early etc.. After reading some of these posts I am starting to change my mind not saying NO but it's losing steam in my head atm.

Also if we are looking for the next Deni there are not that many out there -- Trey Murphy but I do not think the Pels are trading him but who else ??

You are right. It's just really hard to say. We could be running things back to see if Dame is a real difference maker along with letting our young core get a year better. With Dundon I doubt we do that but predicting what we might do is nearly impossible.

We'll just all have to wait and see.

 

[Game3RodneyHood]

AD is a bad fit and arguably a negative asset at this point. Giannis is also a clunky fit with Deni will derail our current roster timeline. It's still tempting just because the Blazers have not been a legitimate title threat in 25 years (unless you want to count 2019), and I think that Jerami & Shae for Giannis would give us like a 10% chance to win a title next year. But ultimately I don't feel Giannis is worth it.

Kawhi is actually the aging star on a mediocre team that could lead our current group to a title in my opinion. Injuries are obviously a concern. I have no clue what the price would be or if Kawhi would even be open to it. All of that makes it very unlikely. But there's also a world where Kawhi has one more top 5 season left in him, he can shoot, he can defend, and we are his Raptors 2.0. Kawhi, Deni, Dame, Tou, Jrue is an elite core. Assuming we were healthy, I think that group could go toe to toe with San Antonio, OKC, and Boston.

I know that a Kawhi deal is more complicated, whereas there is a legitimate path to getting Giannis. But in a vacuum I think I prefer Kawhi's fit.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

This is where a good GM comes in cause we have to be able to re-arrange the deck without falling off ( maybe even taking a step forward ) but I am almost open to that for ONE year not saying tank but not making it to where we were this year. I would almost prefer offering 2 firsts and Sharpe for a top 5 pick and a bad contract ( large contract ) ... Pacers , Hawks ??

Cronin is going to either get fired for this offseason or earn a new contract ( assuming he makes it to the draft ) the next 2 months ish are going to be very interesting for sure.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If healthy…..IF. Giannis and AD make us a contender with Dame and whatever is left. AD by himself does as well, IF healthy. We would probably be able to keep 2 or 3 of Clingan, Scoot, Sharpe, Deni, Toumani in a trade for Giannis, and 3-4 of them in a trade for AD. Pair that with Dame

 

[BassPlaya]

 

[BigGameDamian]

You try to go after Giannis. Brooker, Markkanen first. Then AD and Zion. KAT should be considered also because he can play alongside another big.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

AD is also a bad fit and arguably a negative asset at this point. Giannis is also a clunky fit with Deni will derail our current roster timeline. It's still tempting just because the Blazers have not been a legitimate title threat in 25 years (unless you want to count 2019), and I think that Jerami & Shae for Giannis would give us like a 10% chance to win a title next year. But ultimately I don't feel Giannis is worth it.

Kawhi is actually the aging star on a mediocre team that could lead our current group to a title in my opinion. Injuries are obviously a concern. I have no clue what the price would be or if Kawhi would even be open to it. All of that makes it very unlikely. But there's also a world where Kawhi has one more top 5 season left in him, he can shoot, he can defend, and we are his Raptors 2.0. Kawhi, Deni, Dame, Tou, Jrue is an elite core. Assuming we were healthy, I think that group could go toe to toe with San Antonio, OKC, and Boston.

I know that a Kawhi deal is more complicated, whereas there is a legitimate path to getting Giannis. But in a vacuum I think I prefer Kawhi's fit.

Good first post, and welcome to RC2.

 

[Hoopguru]

Bucks would be nuts not to accept this offer.

Houston Rockets receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo​

Milwaukee Bucks receive: Alperen Şengün, Reed Sheppard, Dorian Finney-Smith, 2027 first-round pick (via PHX), 2028 first-round pick, 2030 first-round pick, 2032 first-round pick​

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Who the hell voted for AD only?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

How do you propose they trade for Booker, and better yet, why?

Jrue, Scoot, Kris make up the salary. Throw in picks necessary.

You're seriously asking me why the Blazers would be interested in trading for Booker?

Uh. What?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

This is where a good GM comes in cause we have to be able to re-arrange the deck without falling off ( maybe even taking a step forward ) but I am almost open to that for ONE year not saying tank but not making it to where we were this year. I would almost prefer offering 2 firsts and Sharpe for a top 5 pick and a bad contract ( large contract ) ... Pacers , Hawks ??

Cronin is going to either get fired for this offseason or earn a new contract ( assuming he makes it to the draft ) the next 2 months ish are going to be very interesting for sure.

Cronin just signed a new deal. Cheapskate isn't going to fire him, pay the entirety of his contract, and pay someone new.

Easier to get Cronin to do whatever he (Dundon) wants, which is what the GM does anyways.