Going for number 1 in draft

[Irish Trader]

Is it possible to use our first rounder and Lillard to trade up to number 1 in draft. Just curious if it’s even possible under trade guidlines.

 

[Natebishop3]

Ummmm….. what?

 

[BigGameDamian]

Is this guy serious?

 

[BankTeller]

No way is that worth the risk. If you trade Dame and our pick for Wemby and he gets injured, that would set this franchise back for a decade.

 

[Irish Trader]

No way is that worth the risk. If you trade Dame and our pick for Wemby and he gets injured, that would set this franchise back for a decade.

Sometimes you have to roll the dice. From what I have seen of this kid he is as significant as Kareem Jabar as a talent. I am old and this kid is very special

 

[BankTeller]

Sometimes you have to roll the dice. From what I have seen of this kid he is as significant as Kareem Jabar as a talent. I am old and this kid is very special

Some people here would rather see the pick get traded for an upgrade if it isn’t #1 (I am not one of those people) rather than roll the dice on a prospect. This is an even bigger roll of the dice and some people might have a brain aneurism with the thought of this lol.

If you’re that old, you’ve probably had your time to be happy in ‘77. Simons + Sharpe + Wemby don’t guarantee anything in the short term.

 

[e_blazer]

Is it possible to use our first rounder and Lillard to trade up to number 1 in draft. Just curious if it’s even possible under trade guidlines.

Theoretically, yes. The trade would have to meet the salary matching requirements of the CBA unless the team receiving Dame had sufficient cap space to absorb his salary. Draft picks have no cash value in a trade, so players with aggregate contracts to meet the salary matching requirements would have to be coming back to Portland.

 

[Irish Trader]

Some people here would rather see the pick get traded for an upgrade if it isn’t #1 (I am not one of those people) rather than roll the dice on a prospect. This is an even bigger roll of the dice and some people might have a brain aneurism with the thought of this lol.

If you’re that old, you’ve probably had your time to be happy in ‘77. Simons + Sharpe + Wemby don’t guarantee anything in the short term.

That’s a group of young players to build with for many years. No middle of the pack purgatory forever

 

[Phatguysrule]

Is it possible to use our first rounder and Lillard to trade up to number 1 in draft. Just curious if it’s even possible under trade guidlines.

Yes, we could, if the team with #1 agreed to it and could match salary.

No, we shouldn't.

 

[BankTeller]

That’s a group of young players to build with for many years. No middle of the pack purgatory forever

But you said you’re old.

 

[Irish Trader]

But you said you’re old.

Yes I am old I have seen many players come and go thru the decades. Once in a while there is a 10 karat diamond

 

[Tince]

We're going to have the #1 pick and Dame.

 

[BankTeller]

Yes I am old I have seen many players come and go thru the decades. Once in a while there is a 10 karat diamond

Well there’s no sense debating something that will never happen or that the organization wouldn’t even consider. A better scenario could happen, like having Dame and winning the lotto so we can have both. The worst scenario could happen if we did this, like Wemby suddenly getting injured and now having to heavily rely on Ant and Sharpe.

So let’s just wait and see what happens with the lottery.

 

[Irish Trader]

We're going to have the #1 pick and Dame.

That would be the preferred solution

 

[Irish Trader]

Well there’s no sense debating something that will never happen or that the organization wouldn’t even consider. A better scenario could happen, like having Dame and winning the lotto so we can have both. The worst scenario could happen if we did this, like Wemby suddenly getting injured and now having to heavily rely on Ant and Sharpe.

So let’s just wait and see what happens with the lottery.

Agreed but at five a 10 per cent chance. Be nice to have a plan B

 

[Tince]

Agreed but at five a 10 per cent chance. Be nice to have a plan B

I think there is far less of a chance the receipiant of the #1 pick would trade it.

Plan B is to trade whatever pick we get for a more proven player.

 

[BankTeller]

I think there is far less of a chance the receipiant of the #1 pick would trade it.

Plan B is to trade whatever pick we get for a more proven player.

Plan B should be to just pick the guy the Blazers are highest on to pair with Sharpe and ensure there’s a future after Dame.

Dame has been loyal to a crap franchise that hasn’t put the pieces together to help him compete. I’ll always appreciate him for that. But let’s not pretend like he hasn’t be compensated heavily for his loyalty. I’m not interested in trading a high lotto pick for OG or guys like that. Even Mikal, 4+ 1sts + Ant is way too high of an asking price. We need more than one guy to put us over the top as it currently stands.

 

[MickZagger]

What’s everybody’s lucky charm?

 

[Tince]

Plan B should be to just pick the guy the Blazers are highest on to pair with Sharpe and ensure there’s a future after Dame.

Dame has been loyal to a crap franchise that hasn’t put the pieces together to help him compete. I’ll always appreciate him for that. But let’s not pretend like he hasn’t be compensated heavily for his loyalty. I’m not interested in trading a high lotto pick for OG or guys like that. Even Mikal, 4+ 1sts + Ant is way too high of an asking price. We need more than one guy to put us over the top as it currently stands.

Agree that Dame has been loyal. Agree that Dame makes the supermax (as most all-NBA players should).

If the goal is to build around Sharpe long term (which I find very risky), then obviously keeping Lillard makes no sense. Drafting someone with the #5 pick is unlikely to help us win with Dame nor is it likely to give us a contender with Sharpe.

 

[BankTeller]

Agree that Dame has been loyal. Agree that Dame makes the supermax (as most all-NBA players should).

If the goal is to build around Sharpe long term (which I find very risky), then obviously keeping Lillard makes no sense. Drafting someone with the #5 pick is unlikely to help us win with Dame nor is it likely to give us a contender with Sharpe.

Trading the #5 pick for another player is also unlikely to help Dame win now because we’re not a “one play away” kind of team right now, much like trading last year’s #7 pick would’ve been.

Unless that player is Embiid, trading for anyone else remotely available will not help us compete right away.

You are assuming that overpaying for someone in the trade market is not as risky as drafting a high potential talent in the draft, when it is just as risky if not more risky.

I personally am not willing to trade our pick for a guy when I’m not even 100% certain Grant will re-sign this summer. Grant signing elsewhere wouldn’t hurt as much because it was a future MIL pick, although it still would hurt. Trading #5 for a guy that also decides to bolt would just SUCK.

 

[Tince]

Trading the #5 pick for another player is also unlikely to help Dame win now because we’re not a “one play away” kind of team right now, much like trading last year’s #7 pick would’ve been.

Unless that player is Embiid, trading for anyone else remotely available will not help us compete right away.

You are assuming that overpaying for someone in the trade market is not as risky as drafting a high potential talent in the draft, when it is just as risky if not more risky.

I personally am not willing to trade our pick for a guy when I’m not even 100% certain Grant will re-sign this summer. Grant signing elsewhere wouldn’t hurt as much because it was a future MIL pick, although it still would hurt. Trading #5 for a guy that also decides to bolt would just SUCK.

Your first line is exactly what I said in my post, so we agree there.

I never assumed overpaying for someone in the trade market is not as risky as drafting a high potential talent in the draft, so your assessment was incorrect there.

I get why you are unwilling to trade the #5 pick. Prepare to be let down when Cronin does it. Same with Grant re-signing. They are not going to let him walk for nothing unless it's a total rebuild where they trade Dame. All that seems unlikely at this point.

 

[blazerkor]

Trading the #5 pick for another player is also unlikely to help Dame win now because we’re not a “one play away” kind of team right now, much like trading last year’s #7 pick would’ve been.

Unless that player is Embiid, trading for anyone else remotely available will not help us compete right away.

You are assuming that overpaying for someone in the trade market is not as risky as drafting a high potential talent in the draft, when it is just as risky if not more risky.

I personally am not willing to trade our pick for a guy when I’m not even 100% certain Grant will re-sign this summer. Grant signing elsewhere wouldn’t hurt as much because it was a future MIL pick, although it still would hurt. Trading #5 for a guy that also decides to bolt would just SUCK.

I bet Joe knows if Grant is staying or not. He seems to be a guy that gets those things wrapped up before hand. I think the strategy has to be trading Ant, Nurk and picks for the best all star possible, maybe including a third team but maybe I'm wrong. I do think there is a pretty good chance that it is Joe's strategy but he won't pull it off and at that point I think we'll use both of our draft picks, trade Dame and let Grant walk.

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[STOMP]

Simons + Sharpe + Wemby don’t guarantee anything in the short term.

No of course not, there are very few guarantees in life. Given health though, I'd be more optimistic about Portland's chances then I've been in decades. It would likely take a couple seasons before they'd be ready to make a run, but that would likely be a hell of a core to build around. All three of those guys are scorers, so the forwards could be long athletic types who can focus on D, boards and filling a lane.

That said, I am pretty much 100% positive no one will be trading this year's #1 overall pick for Dame or anything else teams might cobble together. VW is likely to be one of the biggest product endorsers in the world over the next decade and the franchise that has his rights will benefit handsomely.

STOMP

 

[blazerkor]

No of course not, there are very few guarantees in life. Given health though, I'd be more optimistic about Portland's chances then I've been in decades. It would likely take a couple seasons before they'd be ready to make a run, but that would likely be a hell of a core to build around. All three of those guys are scorers, so the forwards could be long athletic types who can focus on D, boards and filling a lane.

That said, I am pretty much 100% positive no one will be trading this year's #1 overall pick for Dame or anything else teams might cobble together. VW is likely to be one of the biggest product endorsers in the world over the next decade and the franchise that has his rights will benefit handsomely.

STOMP

The fact is, you guys are probably right and we would have more chances at a title doing that but I don't think we can do that to Dame without him wanting it. It will make me sad if our team gives up on Dame. I wouldn't like it.

 

[julius]

Is it possible to use our first rounder and Lillard to trade up to number 1 in draft. Just curious if it’s even possible under trade guidlines.

Yes it's possible, and would be allowed under the trade guidelines (assuming whoever had the #1 spot had the cap space or salaries to trade back), but it would never happen.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Based on what happened to the Blazers the last time we had the #1 pick in the draft, I would trade the #1 pick and Dame for the #2 pick just to save this team from itself.

 

[Natebishop3]

Based on what happened to the Blazers the last time we have the #1 pick in the draft, I would trade the #1 pick and Dame for the #2 pick just to save this team from itself.

I don’t think there’s a Jordan or Durant in this draft though.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don’t think there’s a Jordan or Durant in this draft though.

There will be if we get the #1 pick.

 

[wizenheimer]

people should look at which teams are in the lottery. Just about all of the teams with any kind of realistic shot at the #1 pick are early in process of a rebuild. They are crappy teams. None of them would be interested in trading Wemby for a 32 year old PG with 4 years and 210M left on his contract. It doesn't make any sense

 

[BankTeller]

Your first line is exactly what I said in my post, so we agree there.

I never assumed overpaying for someone in the trade market is not as risky as drafting a high potential talent in the draft, so your assessment was incorrect there.

I get why you are unwilling to trade the #5 pick. Prepare to be let down when Cronin does it. Same with Grant re-signing. They are not going to let him walk for nothing unless it's a total rebuild where they trade Dame. All that seems unlikely at this point.

What you said in your post was “Drafting someone with the #5 pick is unlikely to help us win with Dame nor is it likely to give us a contender with Sharpe.”

I’m saying trading the pick is more unlikely to help win with Dame. The main point of your posts have been about how trading for the pick for an upgrade should be Plan B while my point was drafting someone with the pick should be Plan B. So I don’t actually think what I said was what you said or were trying to say.

I actually think drafting the right guy is more likely to help Dame win (eventually) than trading that pick + more picks for an upgrade. Dame understood it was better to keep the pick than overpaying for OG last summer, I’m betting he’d understand it’s better to keep the pick than giving up multiple picks for whoever is available.