GOP Breaking Up

[Sug]

There are some big cracks forming, and the Teapers are going to be giving their money to the neo-cons under the guise of the "new" Republican party. This will make for an interesting shift in party identification, and just imagine two "conservatives"(which they are not after doubling the size of government under Bush) fighting it out while the Dem only has to campaign against the one that comes out on top. This is going to make for some nasty primary battles and it is going to suck up the war chest mighty fast before the real campaigning even starts.

GOP donors disenchanted with the recent flurry of news about Republican National Committee indiscretions will soon have a new place to put their money -- American Crossroads, a new conservative PAC that many of these big-time donors, as well as conservative behemoths such as Karl Rove and former RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie are helping to get off the ground.

The new 527 group will likely compete with the RNC to bring in contributions from both wealthy donors we well as corporations.

American Crossroads is reportedly aiming to raise at least $52 million which they will spread around to targeted House and Senate races this fall.

(So far they have already received $30 million in commitments from contributors, the National Journal reports).

Much of American Crossroads' start-up capital has been provided by the contributions of Rove and Gillespie, themselves. They have been pitching the idea of the PAC to wealthy conservative benefactors around the country over the past few months.

"I'm raising money and encouraging people to contribute across the board," Gillespie said in an interview with the National Journal. "You need to send a signal to people that this is the blessed or preferred 527 group."

The "shadow" RNC, as some have called it, is set to be directed by Steven J. Law, who will leave his position as general counsel of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for the job, and former RNC chairman Mike Duncan.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Link?

 

[Sug]

Link?

http://undertheinfluence.nationaljournal.com/2010/03/big-time-donors-not-so.php

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/03/31/former-gop-officials-launch-political-group/

 

[hasoos]

Yea there are some cracks forming. A lot of it has to do with the fact that a lot of folks in the GOP are figuring out that many members of their party no longer produce intelligent debate. Opposition parties are frowned upon, especially in these times because we cannot afford a government which gets nothing done. Yet what does the GOP do? Opposition party tactics.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

If there are any cracks developing, they're the ones that have been there all along. Like the dems, the GOP has a fundamentalist wing and a more liberal wing. Obama was able to pick off some of the more liberal ones last election, but it's unlikely that will happen again. If a third party does develop (something both parties are always concerned about), then it may really hurt the gains the GOP is expecting in the next election.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Well the longer the GOP stays in the minority the better for the country. So this is good news.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well the longer the GOP stays in the minority the better for the country. So this is good news.

Not really, the last time Rove had control of a large slush fund of money he stole an election.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-...ath-of-mike-connellkarl-roves-election-thief/

 

[MARIS61]

I expect Rove is going to meet with "an unfortunate accident" sometime before he takes the stand.

 

[blazerboy30]

Well the longer the GOP stays in the minority the better for the country. So this is good news.

You'll have to speak up. I can't hear you over your partisanship.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I expect Rove is going to meet with "an unfortunate accident" sometime before he takes the stand.

You don't say. Union types gonna bust him up?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You don't say. Union types gonna bust him up?

There is more than one flavor of conservatism in the GOP. If he does lose his head it won't be from the Democrats, it will be from a different faction in the GOP.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

There is more than one flavor of conservatism in the GOP. If he does lose his head it won't be from the Democrats, it will be from a different faction in the GOP.

Gee, I dunno. It's the lefties who go head hunting. Anyway, who really cares about Rove?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Gee, I dunno. It's the lefties who go head hunting. Anyway, who really cares about Rove?

Rove's group has already raised over $30 million while the RNC currently has only $8.4 million. This gives Rove huge influence in Republican primaries. This can easily lead to having candidates aligning themselves more with Rove's group than the RNC.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Rove's group has already raised over $30 million while the RNC currently has only $8.4 million. This gives Rove huge influence in Republican primaries. This can easily lead to having candidates aligning themselves more with Rove's group than the RNC.

Yep, money talks in politics. Well, maybe Maris is right and the lefties will target him for assasination.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

It's all Bush's fault!!!

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It's all Bush's fault!!!

How true, how true.

It was also Bush's fault Butler lost.

 

[blue32]

How true, how true.

It was also Bush's fault Butler lost.

Good thing then, b/c I won some money!

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Good thing then, b/c I won some money!

See, he was a good president afterall.

 

[maxiep]

Yea there are some cracks forming. A lot of it has to do with the fact that a lot of folks in the GOP are figuring out that many members of their party no longer produce intelligent debate. Opposition parties are frowned upon, especially in these times because we cannot afford a government which gets nothing done. Yet what does the GOP do? Opposition party tactics.

Actually, we NEED a government which gets nothing done. Our government is too big, too expensive and tries to do too much. That's what the opposition is about: stopping those who seek to expand the role of government in our lives.

 

[maxiep]

Rove's group has already raised over $30 million while the RNC currently has only $8.4 million. This gives Rove huge influence in Republican primaries. This can easily lead to having candidates aligning themselves more with Rove's group than the RNC.

Someone needs to tell me exactly what the RNC stands for. I know what they stand against, but what they stand for is a different matter. Right now, it's enough to oppose the Left. Pretty soon, if they want to win elections, they're going to have to propose solutions. Paul Ryan has done some heavy lifting, but I get the impression the party powers just pat him on the head and use him when necessary, rather than making some of his proposals a centerpiece of their solutions.

 

[bullshooter]

therein lies the problem. It turns out that the republicans didn't stand for smaller government, just less taxes. They had 8 years to shrink government and just shuffled the deck chairs. If they had actually shrunk the government, they wouldn't have run up the deficits that the democrats are now quadrupling. At least the democrats are more transparent. We knew they would try and grow government and take over various aspects of our lives and raise taxes, and that's what they are doing. So while I dislike it, at least I'm not disappointed.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

therein lies the problem. It turns out that the republicans didn't stand for smaller government, just less taxes. They had 8 years to shrink government and just shuffled the deck chairs. If they had actually shrunk the government, they wouldn't have run up the deficits that the democrats are now quadrupling. At least the democrats are more transparent. We knew they would try and grow government and take over various aspects of our lives and raise taxes, and that's what they are doing. So while I dislike it, at least I'm not disappointed.

I think you are correct when you say the GOP didn't shrink the government, just lower taxes. And the two must go hand in hand. For me, I'd like to see the size & scope of the feds drop greatly.

 

[bullshooter]

Our government has ceased to work in the best interests of the majority. And this why there is in-fighting on both sides of the aisle. Why did it take a party with a filibuster proof majority over a year to pass a healthcare entitlement bill that then needed a follow on bill to address the problems with original bill? There was only one provision in that bill that helped the middle class, the majority of people, and that was the part about not excluding preexisting conditions. The rest is a giveaway and didn't address the fundamental problem, which is that there is a growing percentage of people who are not equipped to find decent jobs, and there are not enough decent jobs to provide people with the ability to afford healthcare. They didn't even address the structural issues of the cost of becoming and being a doctor, which drive the rates up as much as anything. All the democrats have done is make healthcare unaffordable for a slightly larger percentage of people and tax the rich to provide the subsidies to pay for them.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Our government has ceased to work in the best interests of the majority. And this why there is in-fighting on both sides of the aisle. Why did it take a party with a filibuster proof majority over a year to pass a healthcare entitlement bill that then needed a follow on bill to address the problems with original bill? There was only one provision in that bill that helped the middle class, the majority of people, and that was the part about not excluding preexisting conditions. The rest is a giveaway and didn't address the fundamental problem, which is that there is a growing percentage of people who are not equipped to find decent jobs, and there are not enough decent jobs to provide people with the ability to afford healthcare. They didn't even address the structural issues of the cost of becoming and being a doctor, which drive the rates up as much as anything. All the democrats have done is make healthcare unaffordable for a slightly larger percentage of people and tax the rich to provide the subsidies to pay for them.

Because neither the Democrats nor the Republicans wanted to pass the healthcare bill. It was easier and safer for the Democrats to go back to their constituents and say, "We wanted to give you health care reform but the evil Republicans wouldn't let us. Give us money and votes so we can defeat them next election." Finally Obama grew a set and forced the Democrats to actually do something.

 

[maxiep]

Because neither the Democrats nor the Republicans wanted to pass the healthcare bill. It was easier and safer for the Democrats to go back to their constituents and say, "We wanted to give you health care reform but the evil Republicans wouldn't let us. Give us money and votes so we can defeat them next election." Finally Obama grew a set and forced the Democrats to actually do something.

And ironically, the heath insurance legislation violated the Hippocratic Oath.