Gossage a Bronze Plaque...?

[Mattingly23NY]

Rick, were you saying Goose is scheduled to get a Bronze Plaque...?

And Tino too...?

I don't get it, I'd not give Tino his plaque, I doubt I'd give Goose one either....I know Goose is a definite NO to many, a borderline to several, and a Yes, to a few.....

Yet, as great as he was to watch in person, the blast POP of the Catcher's mitt, his Chin Music, his big wind up, man I loved watching Goose come in to close a game, in the 8th....

But, I don't think I'd give him his plaque, that would be setting a precedent for to many others, who (either) didn't have long enough careers in NY, or were not Career Pinstriper's. Goose didn't begin or end his career in NY, neither did Reggie....who's next in line according to The Kids...? Scott Brosius, Aaron Boone...?

Has O'Neill not got his plaque yet..? Now that's one man, regardless who deserves one IMHO...! Just my 2 cents, and that won't buy one a tootsie roll, these days...!

 

[Rick2583]

Rick, were you saying Goose is scheduled to get a Bronze Plaque...?

And Tino too...?

I don't get it, I'd not give Tino his plaque, I doubt I'd give Goose one either....I know Goose is a definite NO to many, a borderline to several, and a Yes, to a few.....

Yet, as great as he was to watch in person, the blast POP of the Catcher's mitt, his Chin Music, his big wind up, man I loved watching Goose come in to close a game, in the 8th....

But, I don't think I'd give him his plaque, that would be setting a precedent for to many others, who (either) didn't have long enough careers in NY, or were not Career Pinstriper's. Goose didn't begin or end his career in NY, neither did Reggie....who's next in line according to The Kids...? Scott Brosius, Aaron Boone...?

Has O'Neill not got his plaque yet..? Now that's one man, regardless who deserves one IMHO...! Just my 2 cents, and that won't buy one a tootsie roll, these days...!

Its gotten WAY out of hand. Putting plaque's out there for Gossage & Tino is as ridiculous to me as retiring Reggie's # How about Nettles, Randolph, Chamblis? Its just really gotten stupid. I use to think of monument park as a sacred ground for super Yankees. Now its just an open door.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Its gotten WAY out of hand. Putting plaque's out there for Gossage & Tino is as ridiculous to me as retiring Reggie's # How about Nettles, Randolph, Chamblis? Its just really gotten stupid. I use to think of monument park as a sacred ground for super Yankees. Now its just an open door.

Yep, its becoming no longer a true Monument Park....but a Zooo specatcle....

I don't get Nettles and Randolph not being in the Park....

Heck, where's the plaques for Tom Tresh, Steve Sax, et al... ......

 

[Mattingly23NY]

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[Hammerojustice]

Rick, were you saying Goose is scheduled to get a Bronze Plaque...?

And Tino too...?

I don't get it, I'd not give Tino his plaque, I doubt I'd give Goose one either....I know Goose is a definite NO to many, a borderline to several, and a Yes, to a few.....

Yet, as great as he was to watch in person, the blast POP of the Catcher's mitt, his Chin Music, his big wind up, man I loved watching Goose come in to close a game, in the 8th....

But, I don't think I'd give him his plaque, that would be setting a precedent for to many others, who (either) didn't have long enough careers in NY, or were not Career Pinstriper's. Goose didn't begin or end his career in NY, neither did Reggie....who's next in line according to The Kids...? Scott Brosius, Aaron Boone...?

Has O'Neill not got his plaque yet..? Now that's one man, regardless who deserves one IMHO...! Just my 2 cents, and that won't buy one a tootsie roll, these days...!

I have little issue with Goose... I think he's more deserving than Tino or Reggie...

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Monument Park should be for the legends. For those who excelled but were not in the "legend" group there could be an area inside the stadium where a "recognition of excellence" plaque could be placed. And I would also believe that O'Neil should be out there. O'Neil was a hustling dude, when he played for the Yankees you knew if Jeter didn't get it done O'Neil would. Paulie would have fit right in with those '76 through '78 Yankees Teams.

 

[Rick2583]

Monument Park should be for the legends. For those who excelled but were not in the "legend" group there could be an area inside the stadium where a "recognition of excellence" plaque could be placed. And I would also believe that O'Neil should be out there. O'Neil was a hustling dude, when he played for the Yankees you knew if Jeter didn't get it done O'Neil would. Paulie would have fit right in with those '76 through '78 Yankees Teams.

Michael I agree, monument park was once a place for the ELITE. the LEGENDS of the Yankees. That took a hit the day they put Reggie out there. And now they want to add a few others who only spent a few years with the team in the middle of there careers. It's turned into a joke. For guys like Goose, Tino, Reggie, even Nettles Randolph & Chamblis they could have a section of plaques called something like "Memorable contributors" and leave it at that. But NOT in monument park. JMO.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Monument park is NOT the hall of fame.... IMO, Monument Park is more of a a place for both fan favorites & legends.... So again, I have no issues with Goose or Tino if Reggie is in...

 

[Rick2583]

Monument park is NOT the hall of fame.... IMO, Monument Park is more of a a place for both fan favorites & legends.... So again, I have no issues with Goose or Tino if Reggie is in...

I get what you're saying Steve but to an old fart like me Monument part was a place strictly for what was known as Yankee legends, immortals. Today it seems like if you have a few good years you belong next to names like Ruth, Gehrig, Berra, DiMaggio, Mantle etc. and in my book & others of my generation.........................you don't.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I get what you're saying Steve but to an old fart like me Monument part was a place strictly for what was known as Yankee legends, immortals. Today it seems like if you have a few good years you belong next to names like Ruth, Gehrig, Berra, DiMaggio, Mantle etc. and in my book & others of my generation.........................you don't.

I agree with you on this one....MP should be perhaps NOW broken into 2 Sections, Epic Immortal Yanks, and Notable Contributors...!

 

[Hammerojustice]

I get what you're saying Steve but to an old fart like me Monument part was a place strictly for what was known as Yankee legends, immortals. Today it seems like if you have a few good years you belong next to names like Ruth, Gehrig, Berra, DiMaggio, Mantle etc. and in my book & others of my generation.........................you don't.

I agree that Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Mariano, Berra, Dickey, Mel Ott, Bob Sheppard, Stengle, & McCarthy should all be there & Billy Martin, Reggie, Guidry, Goose, Tino, & Bernie do not belong in a legends only version of Monument Park, but where do you draw the line? Mattingly? Munson? Rickey Henderson? Winfield? As is the case for the HOF, where does the line of demarcation belong? Make it legends & fan favorites & it's easier to decide...

 

[Rick2583]

I agree that Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Mariano, Berra, Dickey, Mel Ott, Bob Sheppard, Stengle, & McCarthy should all be there & Billy Martin, Reggie, Guidry, Goose, Tino, & Bernie do not belong in a legends only version of Monument Park, but where do you draw the line? Mattingly? Munson? Rickey Henderson? Winfield? As is the case for the HOF, where does the line of demarcation belong? Make it legends & fan favorites & it's easier to decide...

IMO here's the way I see it, Currently there are only 5 MONUMENTS. Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle & Huggins. Eventually I think Jeter should also have one. The rest have PLAQUES, Martin, Berra, Dickey, Maris Rizzuto, Munson, Ford, Mattingly, Howard, Guidry, Jackson, Rivera, Stengal & Sheppard.

Now this of course would never be done but.....in MONUMENT PARK there should be the immortals, (Legends). They would be the players that numbers in there Yankee careers that fans could just marvel at. Like Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra, Dickey, Ford, Howard, Rivera, Huggins, Stengel & yes Torre. Sheppard & Rizzuto should also be there for there 50+ years with the organization.

The following players NOTABLE CONTRIBUTORS IN YANKEE HISTORY, Martin, Maris, Mattingly, Guidry, Jackson, Munson, Gossage, Nettles, Posada, Williams, Chambliss, Randolph, O'Neill, Martinez, & Pettitte.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I agree that Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Mariano, Berra, Dickey, Mel Ott, Bob Sheppard, Stengle, & McCarthy should all be there & Billy Martin, Reggie, Guidry, Goose, Tino, & Bernie do not belong in a legends only version of Monument Park, but where do you draw the line? Mattingly? Munson? Rickey Henderson? Winfield? As is the case for the HOF, where does the line of demarcation belong? Make it legends & fan favorites & it's easier to decide...

Yep, that's what I'm saying too....

One Section for LEGENDS-"Epic Immortals" Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Berra, Dickey, Reynolds, Ford, Mick, Mo', Jeter soon.....(all played their entire careers in Pinstripes), yet some greats played for more than the Yanx either prior or post...ie, ala- Allie Reynolds....

A 2nd Section for "Fan Favorites" or "Pinstripe Contributors".....

I don't necessarily agree with all of this article, but its worth reading, on this subject:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/190026-thoughts-on-new-york-yankees-retired-numbers

Where does that line get drawn...? I can see Lifetime Yankees as a line, but something tells me, perhaps that may be a bit too much.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Yep, that's what I'm saying too....

One Section for LEGENDS-"Epic Immortals" Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Berra, Dickey, Reynolds, Ford, Mick, Mo', Jeter soon.....(all played their entire careers in Pinstripes), yet some greats played for more than the Yanx either prior or post...ie, ala- Allie Reynolds....

A 2nd Section for "Fan Favorites" or "Pinstripe Contributors".....

I don't necessarily agree with all of this article, but its worth reading, on this subject:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/190026-thoughts-on-new-york-yankees-retired-numbers

Where does that line get drawn...? I can see Lifetime Yankees as a line, but something tells me, perhaps that may be a bit too much.

Haven't read the article yet (I will).... But I wouldn't draw the line as at lifetime Yankees... Paul O'Neill wasn't a lifetime Yankees player, but was definitely a fan favorite.... Winfield as well...

I've no issue with a "Legends" section and a "Other Fan Favorites" section....

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Haven't read the article yet (I will).... But I wouldn't draw the line as at lifetime Yankees... Paul O'Neill wasn't a lifetime Yankees player, but was definitely a fan favorite.... Winfield as well...

I've no issue with a "Legends" section and a "Other Fan Favorites" section....

I agree, I wouldn't like to see Monument Park limited to Lifer Yanx either, that would be a bit too much....

You hit the nail square on the round head, a "Legends" section and a "Other Fan Favorites" section....

That IMO, would be the perfect way to exhibit MP...!

 

[Rick2583]

I agree, I wouldn't like to see Monument Park limited to Lifer Yanx either, that would be a bit too much....

You hit the nail square on the round head, a "Legends" section and a "Other Fan Favorites" section....

That IMO, would be the perfect way to exhibit MP...!

Please refer to post #12

 

[Hammerojustice]

IMO here's the way I see it, Currently there are only 5 MONUMENTS. Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle & Huggins. Eventually I think Jeter should also have one. The rest have PLAQUES, Martin, Berra, Dickey, Maris Rizzuto, Munson, Ford, Mattingly, Howard, Guidry, Jackson, Rivera, Stengal & Sheppard.

Now this of course would never be done but.....in MONUMENT PARK there should be the immortals, (Legends). They would be the players that numbers in there Yankee careers that fans could just marvel at. Like Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra, Dickey, Ford, Howard, Rivera, Huggins, Stengel & yes Torre. Sheppard & Rizzuto should also be there for there 50+ years with the organization.

The following players NOTABLE CONTRIBUTORS IN YANKEE HISTORY, Martin, Maris, Mattingly, Guidry, Jackson, Munson, Gossage, Nettles, Posada, Williams, Chambliss, Randolph, O'Neill, Martinez, & Pettitte.

Please refer to post #12

I DO NOT like the idea of a notable section as I get a slightly derogatory vibe as opposed to other fan favorites...

Regarding those who deserve monuments... How come Huggins and not Stengal or McCarthy? Not Berra or Dickey? If Jeter will get one, why not Mariano?

I maintain that if Reggie is in, Goose should as well.... I would remove Reggie, Guidry, & Martin if you deny Goose...

 

[Rick2583]

I DO NOT like the idea of a notable section as I get a slightly derogatory vibe as opposed to other fan favorites...

Regarding those who deserve monuments... How come Huggins and not Stengal or McCarthy? Not Berra or Dickey? If Jeter will get one, why not Mariano?

I maintain that if Reggie is in, Goose should as well.... I would remove Reggie, Guidry, & Martin if you deny Goose...

You make some good arguments Steve & yeah I think Jeter & Rivera should get monuments 6 & 7. As far as Berra & Dickey, very good careers but IMO don't deserve monuments because I don't think they match up to the current 5 with monuments or the additions of possibly Jeter & Rivera.

As far as how come Huggins & not Stengel or McCarthy again excellent question as both Stengel & McCarthy won more WS then Huggins did. Stengel won 7 of 10, McCarthy won 6 of 8 while Huggins won 3 of 6. My only guess is that Huggins won there 1st. Just guessing.

And to be clear they're not retiring the numbers of Gossage, or Tino, they're just giving them plaques. And yes if it were up to me, Reggie, Guidry, Martin & Maris wouldn't have had there #s retired, plaques would have been enough. Again, IMO.

 

[Hammerojustice]

You make some good arguments Steve & yeah I think Jeter & Rivera should get monuments 6 & 7. As far as Berra & Dickey, very good careers but IMO don't deserve monuments because I don't think they match up to the current 5 with monuments or the additions of possibly Jeter & Rivera.

As far as how come Huggins & not Stengel or McCarthy again excellent question as both Stengel & McCarthy won more WS then Huggins did. Stengel won 7 of 10, McCarthy won 6 of 8 while Huggins won 3 of 6. My only guess is that Huggins won there 1st. Just guessing.

And to be clear they're not retiring the numbers of Gossage, or Tino, they're just giving them plaques. And yes if it were up to me, Reggie, Guidry, Martin & Maris wouldn't have had there #s retired, plaques would have been enough. Again, IMO.

Good points.... IMO, I would give Stengel & McCarthy monuments & at least Berra a monument... How many WS rings does he have? Called a perfect game in the WS.... and played a traditionally less prolific position as far as offensive numbers go... Dickey was awesome as well....

I'm torn on Maris....

 

[yankeesince59]

I DO NOT like the idea of a notable section as I get a slightly derogatory vibe as opposed to other fan favorites...

...gotta agree...IMO, there should NOT be one section for GREAT Yankees and another section for GOOD Yankees.

 

[Hammerojustice]

...gotta agree...IMO, there should NOT be one section for GREAT Yankees and another section for GOOD Yankees.

But if it has names of either "Legends" or "Icons" for the likes of Ruth, Gehrig, et al & the other sections labeled something to the effect of "Additional Fan Favorites" or "Other Fan Favorites" it wouldn't be viewed as great and good... more like gods & titans... If that makes sense

 

[yankeesince59]

...I understand, I'm just not keen on giving "good" players or players who only spent 5-6 years with the club a place in monument park...IMO, it cheapens the brand and defeats the purpose of having monument park in the first place.
...for me, it's the same with retiring numbers...there are too many retired numbers for players/managers that IMO, don't deserve it.

 

[Rick2583]

...I understand, I'm just not keen on giving "good" players or players who only spent 5-6 years with the club a place in monument park...IMO, it cheapens the brand and defeats the purpose of having monument park in the first place.
...for me, it's the same with retiring numbers...there are too many retired numbers for players/managers that IMO, don't deserve it.

I agree 100%

 

[mrmel29]

IMO here's the way I see it, Currently there are only 5 MONUMENTS. Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle & Huggins. Eventually I think Jeter should also have one. The rest have PLAQUES, Martin, Berra, Dickey, Maris Rizzuto, Munson, Ford, Mattingly, Howard, Guidry, Jackson, Rivera, Stengal & Sheppard.

Now this of course would never be done but.....in MONUMENT PARK there should be the immortals, (Legends). They would be the players that numbers in there Yankee careers that fans could just marvel at. Like Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra, Dickey, Ford, Howard, Rivera, Huggins, Stengel & yes Torre. Sheppard & Rizzuto should also be there for there 50+ years with the organization.

The following players NOTABLE CONTRIBUTORS IN YANKEE HISTORY, Martin, Maris, Mattingly, Guidry, Jackson, Munson, Gossage, Nettles, Posada, Williams, Chambliss, Randolph, O'Neill, Martinez, & Pettitte.

Rick, nice list. Only addition I make is with Jeter someday Mo should also get a monument

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Sorry, I just don't get Berra not having a Monument.... 19 Seasons in Pinstripes ONLY.....10 Rings, in 14 World Series Appearances, 3 AL- MVP's...15 All Star Appearances.... in his 2nd Year of HOF eligibility a 85.6 pctg of votes....!!!

14 World Series: 75 Games/ 259 At Bats/ 12 HR's/ 39 RBI's (many of them clutch game winners*)

Yogi was as Great throughout the Season (3 MVP's), as much as he was during Series play.

Handled some of the best Pitcher's of his time...!

* Tho' Yogi was a bit ahead of my time in his prime, from the old ESPN Classic W.S. Films, its clear Yogi was as much "Mr. Clutch" during Series play as any Yankee, in his era. From the older Yankee and MLB Fans I've spoken with over my lifetime, I doubt you'd get a disagreement on Yogi. Those same "old timers" would always say, when no one else was driving them in, Yogi's bat was scalding hot with RISP, in W.S. play.

Mo', hell, I'd begin chiseling his Monument as we speak, (the Greatest Closer of all time, and future)....I'd also give a Monument to Our Captain...!

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Stengel too...deserves his Monument IMHO....

There will never be another Mgr in MLB as dynamic and uniquely colorful as Casey...!

Lantern in hand walking to the mound.....

bird under the hat walking down the RF line....

Classic Casey....

Yet, with Stengel its not about the antics on the field, yes, he was blessed with some of the greatest Teams to grace a diamond, yet, Casey himself belongs as much as any player under his tenure...!!!

 

[Hammerojustice]

...I understand, I'm just not keen on giving "good" players or players who only spent 5-6 years with the club a place in monument park...IMO, it cheapens the brand and defeats the purpose of having monument park in the first place.
...for me, it's the same with retiring numbers...there are too many retired numbers for players/managers that IMO, don't deserve it.

I agree, but Paul O'Neill had a hell of an impact & spent a few years in stripes.... He would fall into the "Other Fan Favorites" section... it would also eliminate Reggie & others... I firmly believe neither should have their numbers retired, but I would honor Paul O'Neill with a plaque...

 

[Hammerojustice]

Stengel too...deserves his Monument IMHO....

There will never be another Mgr in MLB as dynamic and uniquely colorful as Casey...!

Lantern in hand walking to the mound.....

bird under the hat walking down the RF line....

Classic Casey....

Yet, with Stengel its not about the antics on the field, yes, he was blessed with some of the greatest Teams to grace a diamond, yet, Casey himself belongs as much as any player under his tenure...!!!

What about McCarthy?

 

[Mattingly23NY]

What about McCarthy?

A wrongful omission on my part, and the Yanx, IMO...he too deserves a Monument in my blind eyes....!

 

[Rick2583]

I agree, but Paul O'Neill had a hell of an impact & spent a few years in stripes.... He would fall into the "Other Fan Favorites" section... it would also eliminate Reggie & others... I firmly believe neither should have their numbers retired, but I would honor Paul O'Neill with a plaque...

Paul is getting his plaque sometime in August.