Greatest Non-All Star Ever?

[Boise Blazer]

So I will start by saying that at times CJ drives me nuts and I'm not opposed to trading him for the right player but that's not what this thread is about and I hope it stays out of it.

My question is whether you think if CJ is one of, if not the best non all-star ever?

There are a few articles out there and the common players mentioned are Cedric Maxwell, Lamar Odom, Marcus Camby and Rod Strickland.

Since becoming a starter 6 years ago he has averaged over 20 points per game. Something I don't think any of those other players did consistently and for that length of time. The argument against that is likely that some of those players are a lot more well rounded.

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts or stats that show your arguments.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Monta Ellis is on the list too, I think.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Mike Bibby too

 

[julius]

Joe Binion.

 

[Minstrel]

I think Andrew Bogut has a decent argument. He was a beast through his prime. Made an All-NBA team, I think, but not an All Star team.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Andre Miller has been brought up in a lot of these discussions too. I loved his game and watching him play.

 

[TheGoldRanger]

Vladimir Stepania too. JK, but yeah CJ definitely has a case. Jamal Magloire was an all star for crying out loud.

 

[Hoopguru]

Mike from Utah has been the best in recent years, imo. Good thing there was an injury this year or it would another year w/o.

 

[crandc]

Jerome Kersey is another.

 

[lawai'a]

sabonis

 

[Wizard Mentor]

@KingSpeed

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I would easily pick either Andre Miller or Rod Strickland over CJ.

Both had a much better well rounded game.

 

[wizenheimer]

Conley, Marcus Camby, Sam Perkins, Derek Harper, Andre Miller, Byron Scott

Drazen Petrovic, Damon Sroudamire

 

[Minstrel]

Conley, Marcus Camby, Sam Perkins, Derek Harper, Andre Miller, Byron Scott

Drazen Petrovic, Damon Sroudamire

Conley's an All Star this year.

 

[blazerkor]

So I will start by saying that at times CJ drives me nuts and I'm not opposed to trading him for the right player but that's not what this thread is about and I hope it stays out of it.

My question is whether you think if CJ is one of, if not the best non all-star ever?

There are a few articles out there and the common players mentioned are Cedric Maxwell, Lamar Odom, Marcus Camby and Rod Strickland.

Since becoming a starter 6 years ago he has averaged over 20 points per game. Something I don't think any of those other players did consistently and for that length of time. The argument against that is likely that some of those players are a lot more well rounded.

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts or stats that show your arguments.

If we're talking about people that had the numbers to get there but didn't, it's really close with a bunch of these guys and others.

An easy answer is who the best basketball player that I've ever seen play for a sustained period of time and didn't make the all star game. Lamar Odom. That dude was sick. If it weren't for the Shaq trade he would have been an all star that next season in Miami. Phil crushed his career by putting him on the bench when he was the second best player on the Lakers. I don't think he was the biggest career snub ever. Like I said that's a long list that's hard to sort out but he was just the best player to not make it there.

 

[wizenheimer]

Conley's an All Star this year.

shows how much attention I paid to the game this year

 

[ABM]

When I lived in The ATL, I always appreciated Jason Terry's game. Seattle kid.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Mike from Utah has been the best in recent years, imo. Good thing there was an injury this year or it would another year w/o.

2 injuries! He was the injury replacement for an injury replacement.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Wally Szczerbiak

 

[BlayZa]

jamal crawford

andre miller

drazen, sabonis - how deep we going

 

[mook]

If you go by a per minute basis, it's Sabonis hands-down. His first year here was probably the second best center in the league for the 20 minutes/game he played. But he just couldn't handle big minutes, and always missed a dozen games a year with injury. But when he was on the court he was just so damned good.

I think CJ is an interesting case because all those other guys got chances to prove their worth on multiple teams and in multiple roles. CJ has only ever had one role--playing off Dame. It's kind of a shame he wasn't drafted by another team where he could've been the star guard.

I've always had the nagging feeling we'll never get to see how good he really was. We'll probably be arguing for years whether he could've averaged 30ppg on his own team.

 

[tester551]

I've always had the nagging feeling we'll never get to see how good he really was. We'll probably be arguing for years whether he could've averaged 30ppg on his own team.

.....that wins <25 games per season

 

[Jon]

orlando woolridge or josh smith.

and of course Sabonis.

 

[Stevenson]

Sabonis is literally a Hall of Fame player.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I’m rather shocked that no one has mentioned Vinnie “The Microwave” Johnson. Two rings and too many broken hearts (Portland’s included) to count......