OT Gun culture and supermarkets

[Labinot41]

Foreigners don't understand American culture.

Shooting massacre at schools or Musical festivals is a culture?

 

[joeBlazers]

Is a side effect of the culture. Think of it this way. If you allow people to drive cars, there will be car accidents. Does that make cars a bad think?

Shooting massacre at schools or Musical festivals is a culture?

 

[SIeepwalker]

Foreigners don't understand American culture.

Is a side effect of the culture. Think of it this way. If you allow people to drive cars, there will be car accidents. Does that make cars a bad think?

Regular mass shootings are such a great culture to have !

I don't know what the solution is, but at least we're having dialogue which is good.

Yeah, I don't know what could be done to stop the accidents caused by guns, really no clue

 

[Orion Bailey]

Regular mass shootings are such a great culture to have !



Yeah, I don't know what could be done to stop the accidents caused by guns, really no clue

IQ tests and and background checks of all parents about to give birth. IF you don't pass a certain level, abort.

Helps to thin the herd and get rid of potential future terrorists.

 

[tlongII]

Regular mass shootings are such a great culture to have !



Yeah, I don't know what could be done to stop the accidents caused by guns, really no clue

Emulate France's model?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Is a side effect of the culture. Think of it this way. If you allow people to drive cars, there will be car accidents. Does that make cars a bad think?

Our federal government has spent decades regulating the auto industry to make cars safer, everything from safety glass to seat belts to airbags to mandatory crash testing.

Too bad our government isn't willing to hold other industries similarly accountable for public safety.

BNM

 

[julius]

Our federal government has spent decades regulating the auto industry to make cars safer, everything from safety glass to seat belts to airbags to mandatory crash testing.

Too bad our government isn't willing to hold other industries similarly accountable for public safety.

BNM

And while cars aren't a "god given right", certain cars are not legal for us to drive.

 

[Labinot41]

Is a side effect of the culture. Think of it this way. If you allow people to drive cars, there will be car accidents. Does that make cars a bad think?

You can't compare guns to Cars bro. For me America is crazy with these guns laws. You can buy a gun in a Supermarket like a Sandwich. Thats insane. I feel Bad for all the people who died because of all these guns psychopaths. I'm Happy to live in a country with very strict guns laws, i feel a Lot more safe than if i would live in USA. Only Police, Army and Security Company can Wear guns, but Not as a private person

 

[Boob-No-More]

And while cars aren't a "god given right", certain cars are not legal for us to drive.

All 50 states also require passing a test and getting a license before you can operate an automobile on a on a public road.

BNM

 

[Reep]

All 50 states also require passing a test and getting a license before you can operate an automobile on a on a public road.

BNM

And there is absolutely no state where a stranger can walk up and purchase a gun legally. Not one.

Cars actually are a good analogy. For cars, the maker sends a couple models for crash testing once, and then sells millions for years with nothing more. In Comifornia, a gun manufacturer has to send it two copies of every model, every color and every variation for "testing" for safety. Does Toyota have to send in each color way for testing?

In the end an evil person can buy a car and run it into people and kill them. So we should stop the sales of cars to prevent this? If the answer is no, then why prevent responsible citizens the right to own a gun because some psycho uses it against people (FYI, the FL kid was not charged with several crimes that would have prevented him from owning a gun, but was released due to government demands they reduce certain high school arrests).

And, not blaming his brother, but I don't tend to stick around and argue with people at night in parking lots. And I have never been shot. Some times you just need to learn when to walk away.

 

[Eastoff]

And there is absolutely no state where a stranger can walk up and purchase a gun legally. Not one.

Cars actually are a good analogy. For cars, the maker sends a couple models for crash testing once, and then sells millions for years with nothing more. In Comifornia, a gun manufacturer has to send it two copies of every model, every color and every variation for "testing" for safety. Does Toyota have to send in each color way for testing?

In the end an evil person can buy a car and run it into people and kill them. So we should stop the sales of cars to prevent this? If the answer is no, then why prevent responsible citizens the right to own a gun because some psycho uses it against people (FYI, the FL kid was not charged with several crimes that would have prevented him from owning a gun, but was released due to government demands they reduce certain high school arrests).

And, not blaming his brother, but I don't tend to stick around and argue with people at night in parking lots. And I have never been shot. Some times you just need to learn when to walk away.

Ohh @SlyPokerDog I'm feeling kind of political... Please help me!

 

[dviss1]

And there is absolutely no state where a stranger can walk up and purchase a gun legally. Not one.

So false... It can be done in every state.

http://www.armslist.com

 

[Boob-No-More]

And there is absolutely no state where a stranger can walk up and purchase a gun legally. Not one.

Actually, there are 31 states that do not require any background check, or even an ID, for the private sales of fire arms.

BNM

 

[LuckyShot]

You can't compare guns to Cars bro. For me America is crazy with these guns laws. You can buy a gun in a Supermarket like a Sandwich. Thats insane. I feel Bad for all the people who died because of all these guns psychopaths. I'm Happy to live in a country with very strict guns laws, i feel a Lot more safe than if i would live in USA. Only Police, Army and Security Company can Wear guns, but Not as a private person

No, that's just untrue.

 

[dviss1]

No, that's just untrue.

This is gonna go OT.

It's very true. There's literally a Craigslist for guns man...

 

[LuckyShot]

This is gonna go OT.

It's very true. There's literally a Craigslist for guns man...

He said buying from a supermarket. That's not meeting someone on the street and exchanging cash for a gun without a background check or any paperwork. And that is illegal in several states already. Doesn't stop criminals though and never will. Just a bigger pain in the ass for law abiding people.

 

[Boob-No-More]

He said buying from a supermarket. That's not meeting someone on the street and exchanging cash for a gun without a background check or any paperwork. And that is illegal in several states already. Doesn't stop criminals though and never will. Just a bigger pain in the ass for law abiding people.

Several == 19. In 31 states, no background check or even an ID is required.

Isn't Fred Meyer a supermarket?

"The Kroger Company will stop selling guns to customers under the age of 21, the grocery store chain said Thursday, joining two other major retailers who have raised age limits after last month’s school shooting in Florida.

Kroger sells guns at 43 of its 133 Fred Meyer locations in Alaska, Idaho, Oregon and Washington. It said that, in those stores, customers would not be able to buy either guns or ammunition until undergoing a background check that would verify their age."

But they are a dealer, not a private seller. So, background checks are required period, regardless of age. Plus, as of 2015 Oregon is one of the 19 states that also require background checks for the private sale of fire arms. 31 states have no such restrictions on the private sale of firearms.

Point being, you CAN buy a guy at a supermarket right here in Oregon, as long as you meet the requirements.

BNM

 

[Lanny]

No, that's just untrue.

I've seen both guns and hard liquor sold at the same counter in a California Safeway.

 

[dviss1]

He said buying from a supermarket. That's not meeting someone on the street and exchanging cash for a gun without a background check or any paperwork. And that is illegal in several states already. Doesn't stop criminals though and never will. Just a bigger pain in the ass for law abiding people.

If you didn't get the sarcasm and thought he meant literally purchasing one at a supermarket.... Hell, I don't have a sarcasm meter and I caught that...

 

[LuckyShot]

If you didn't get the sarcasm and thought he meant literally purchasing one at a supermarket.... Hell, I don't have a sarcasm meter and I caught that...

Hard to tell the sarcasm from the ignorant from the lying on this issue lately. Sorry.

 

[LuckyShot]

I've seen both guns and hard liquor sold at the same counter in a California Safeway.

And there are different requirements to purchase each. It's not the same buying a gun as buying a sandwich. That's all I was saying.

 

[Boob-No-More]

If you didn't get the sarcasm and thought he meant literally purchasing one at a supermarket.... Hell, I don't have a sarcasm meter and I caught that...

Actually, that's exactly what I thought he meant - literally buying a gun at the supermarket. He lives in a different country where that is a completely foreign concept. You can literally walk into a Fred Meyer and walk out with a gallon of milk, some disposable diapers and a gun. Are there any countries in Europe where you can do the same?

To me, the poster seemed more incredulous than sarcastic.

BNM

 

[LuckyShot]

Several == 19. In 31 states, no background check or even an ID is required.

Isn't Fred Meyer a supermarket?

"The Kroger Company will stop selling guns to customers under the age of 21, the grocery store chain said Thursday, joining two other major retailers who have raised age limits after last month’s school shooting in Florida.

Kroger sells guns at 43 of its 133 Fred Meyer locations in Alaska, Idaho, Oregon and Washington. It said that, in those stores, customers would not be able to buy either guns or ammunition until undergoing a background check that would verify their age."

But they are a dealer, not a private seller. So, background checks are required period, regardless of age. Plus, as of 2015 Oregon is one of the 19 states that also require background checks for the private sale of fire arms. 31 states have no such restrictions on the private sale of firearms.

Point being, you CAN buy a guy at a supermarket right here in Oregon, as long as you meet the requirements.

BNM

Thank you for the more detailed explanation backing up my assertion.

 

[Lanny]

And there are different requirements to purchase each. It's not the same buying a gun as buying a sandwich. That's all I was saying.

The last time I bought a gun was at the Beaverton GI Joes about 40 years ago. And it was different than it is now.

And I never bought a gun in California so I have no idea how easy or difficult it is. But it appeared ridiculous to offer hard liquor and firearms at the same counter.

 

[Boob-No-More]

And there are different requirements to purchase each. It's not the same buying a gun as buying a sandwich. That's all I was saying.

You can buy a gun at the same place as a sandwich in this country, but of course the requirements are different. You can also buy alcohol and pick up prescription drugs there, too. The requirement is different for each - as it should be.

What's on your list today?

BNM

 

[LuckyShot]

The last time I bought a gun was at the Beaverton GI Joes about 40 years ago. And it was different than it is now.

And I never bought a gun in California so I have no idea how easy or difficult it is. But it appeared ridiculous to offer hard liquor and firearms at the same counter.

Oh I bet it was different back then. Did you even have to show ID? lol

 

[Lanny]

You can buy a gun at the same place as a sandwich in this country, but of course the requirements are different. You can also buy alcohol and pick up prescription drugs there, too. The requirement is different for each - as it should be.

What's on your list today?

BNM

Guns, liquor and opioids. Then I'm gonna bag me a deer shooting from my pickup at night while drinking and popping pills until I fall asleep in the front sleep. After that, I'm going home to Louisiana where I can really let loose.

 

[Lanny]

Oh I bet it was different back then. Did you even have to show ID? lol

Honestly don't remember but I did have to fill out a form complete with my address. Of course, I no longer live at that address.

 

[LuckyShot]

You can buy a gun at the same place as a sandwich in this country, but of course the requirements are different. You can also buy alcohol and pick up prescription drugs there, too. The requirement is different for each - as it should be.

What's on your list today?

BNM

Yeah that does sound crazy. We Americans love our convenience, huh?

But seriously, those stores shouldn't sell guns. Not just because of what you're saying, but simply because most of the time the people I've seen working those gun counters should not be responsible for selling guns. The Fred Meyer near me doesn't have anyone that works the gun counter really, you just flag down the nearest employee and they call someone to bring a key to open the case if you want something. It makes me wonder if they'd know how to spot a shady straw purchase.

 

[Reep]

I've seen both guns and hard liquor sold at the same counter in a California Safeway.

Bull. At least not legally. As a current Californian, you can't even get a box of ammo without a background check. And Safeway does not sell guns.

California:
1) pass firearms safety written test'
2) select a gun from the highly restricted list of guns that California deems appropriate;
3) fill out paperwork, provide ID, utility bill, and finger print for background check;
4) wait 10 days for background check;
5) finally pick up;

The most fun part is that even after you own a gun, and you want a second one, you have to wait 30 days, and another 10-day waiting period. You can even be licensed for concealed carry, with all the huge requirements and background checks that entails, and still have to wait 10 days.