Gun rights case: Supreme Court rules on second amendment

[Minstrel]

In that case, see my prior post: your guns have zero hope of prevailing. Back when there were just muskets and cannons, guys with muskets could hope to prevail. Guys with handguns and rifles cannot hope to win out against a force with drones, f-22s, tanks, etc.

Typical. The military, as an arm of the government, would be inefficient. The privately run citizen army would be much more efficient, making up the difference in the grade of the weapons. The private sector does everything more efficiently, including waging war. Until you understand that, you're going to keep being wrong.

 

[barfo]

Typical. The military, as an arm of the government, would be inefficient. The privately run citizen army would be much more efficient, making up the difference in the grade of the weapons. The private sector does everything more efficiently, including waging war. Until you understand that, you're going to keep being wrong.

Oh! I forgot about the superiority of the private sector! Silly me. No doubt with the savings from not paying slavery taxes, we could construct our own fighter planes, nuclear warheads, and tanks. And if not, we could make a strategic alignment with Iran, or North Korea. The battle would be glorious!

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

You really don't get it, do you?

The military, police, and dozens of "secret" government agencies devoted to spying on and controlling US citizens are the potential enemies of our country that make it necessary for us to have an armed militia of private citizens. They are the usurpers from within.

Hi, Maris. Hope things are well. BTW, I knew you'd be here to espouse the communist point of view.

 

[Denny Crane]

MARIS actually got one right.

 

[maxiep]

http://reason.com/archives/2010/06/30/gun-shy

 

[bodyman5001]

Talk about an activist court! Ignoring the word "militia" in the Bill of Rights, and inventing a new fundamental right.

Wow.

How about ignoring the word PEOPLE? If they wanted to say the right of the MILITIA to keep and bear arms it wouldn't have been difficult. Yet after just mentioning the word militia, they decided to use the word people instead? Maybe they wanted to differentiate between the two? Even if they didn't, they used the word people and last I checked I am one of those.

Would you define the word militia and describe to us how a militia would be structured around the year 1800 or so? Thanks.

 

[boatsandstars]

People who own guns are retarded. That is probably most of you.

 

[bodyman5001]

People who own guns are retarded. That is probably most of you.

I have a shotgun in the wall of my house. It is loaded and ready to fire. I know exactly where it is because I put it there when I moved in. I had to fix a hole that the prior owner left in the wall and figured that if nobody knows it is there but me, it can only help me.

I don't really own a gun but if I did have an extra shotgun that idea actually sounds good to me.

 

[barfo]

I have a shotgun in the wall of my house. It is loaded and ready to fire. I know exactly where it is because I put it there when I moved in. I had to fix a hole that the prior owner left in the wall and figured that if nobody knows it is there but me, it can only help me.

That's nothing. I have a 9mm pistol embedded in my abdomen. I was having surgery a few years back and paid the surgeon to install it. If I press a finger into my belly in just the right spot, I can fire a round into anyone standing in front of me.

The only downside is that I always set off the metal detectors at airports.

barfo

 

[bodyman5001]

That's nothing. I have a 9mm pistol embedded in my abdomen. I was having surgery a few years back and paid the surgeon to install it. If I press a finger into my belly in just the right spot, I can fire a round into anyone standing in front of me.

The only downside is that I always set off the metal detectors at airports.

barfo

Thank GOD the thing isn't triggered by your head being inserted in your @##, there wouldn't be anyone near you left alive.

 

[barfo]

Thank GOD the thing isn't triggered by your head being inserted in your @##, there wouldn't be anyone near you left alive.

[faces bodyman5001, pokes stomach]

barfo

 

[bodyman5001]

[faces bodyman5001, pokes stomach]

barfo

Where the hell is PapaG's lawyer? You all know what that means. hahah

 

[barfo]

Hi PapaG!

barfo

 

[bodyman5001]

PapaG is a kid? Explains everything.

 

[maxiep]

To a non-lawyer like myself, this appeared to be an issue of whether or not our Constitution has positive or negative rights. I'm of the latter view, meaning that the Constitution exists to tell the government what it CANNOT do to me, be it local, state or federal. And it seems that the decision came down to the SC deciding that the Constitution says that government may not take the right to bear arms away from their citizens. I think I saw something CJ Roberts wrote where he stated this ruling didn't mean that there couldn't be limits on what kind of guns or how many someone could own, but merely that Chicago and DC could not make it illegal for their residents to keep and bear arms.

It seems pretty reasonable to me and has little to do with the issue of "states rights".

 

[Denny Crane]

To a non-lawyer like myself, this appeared to be an issue of whether or not our Constitution has positive or negative rights. I'm of the latter view, meaning that the Constitution exists to tell the government what it CANNOT do to me, be it local, state or federal.

The constitution is opposite of what you say. It enumerates very few powers to the State (feds, states) and all the remaining rights belong to the people.

 

[maxiep]

The constitution is opposite of what you say. It enumerates very few powers to the State (feds, states) and all the remaining rights belong to the people.

That's what I said.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's what I said.

No, you said "I'm of the latter view, meaning that the Constitution exists to tell the government what it CANNOT do to me"

If that were true, the constitution would enumerate all the things government cannot do to you. Instead, it enumerates the few weak/feeble powers government should have.