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That Roy's defense on semi-star players the last couple of games has been totally shitty?


The 1st half effort on Rudy Gay was terrible.

The effort last night on D was terrible as well.


Maybe it's just me, but it seems as though if Roy isn't scoring, or bringing up the ball, he just stands around on Offense, and on D, he's not really active like he was last year.

In fact, I am starting to wonder if last year was his better year, in terms of all-around impact.

:dunno: Just some early morning thoughts from the last couple of game's impressions.
 
blue32 said:
That Roy's defense on semi-star players the last couple of games has been totally shitty?
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Totally. It's really concerning, since both games were so close... we could have lost either at any time.


:devilwink:
 
blue32 said:
That Roy's defense on semi-star players the last couple of games has been totally shitty?


The 1st half effort on Rudy Gay was terrible.

The effort last night on D was terrible as well.


Maybe it's just me, but it seems as though if Roy isn't scoring, or bringing up the ball, he just stands around on Offense, and on D, he's not really active like he was last year.

In fact, I am starting to wonder if last year was his better year, in terms of all-around impact.

:dunno: Just some early morning thoughts from the last couple of game's impressions.
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Who was Roy "shitty" against last night? He was defending Brandon Rush with some responsiblity on TJ Ford and Earl Watson. If you're talking about Granger, he was launching 3s over LaMarcus and Batum. Plus, Roy blocked 3 shots last night and had his usual 5 rebounds.

What an odd criticism.
 
BGrantFan said:
Who was Roy "shitty" against last night? He was defending Earl Watson with some responsiblity on TJ Ford. If you're talking about Granger, he was launching 3s over LaMarcus and Batum. Plus, Roy blocked 3 shots last night.

What an odd criticism.
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Just because he is facing a poor opponent does not mean that the lack of effort cannot be noted, plus I believe the above poster cited more than last nights game.
 
hasoos said:
Just because he is facing a poor opponent does not mean that the lack of effort cannot be noted, plus I believe the above poster cited more than last nights game.
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3 blocks, 5 rebounds, Indy scores 79 points. I think it's an odd criticism. The poster can post what they want; can't I criticize the criticism?

So, to answer the question; no, I haven't noticed.
 
For a guy who plays such generally 'average' defense anyway, I think he's doing fine considering that the hammy is still not at 100%, and looking at the number of steals (3) he had against Memphis, and the fact that he had 3 blocks against Indiana, I have to agree that your timing seems a little 'odd.'
 
It could be worse,

we could have drafted the stache.
 
BGrantFan said:
3 blocks, 5 rebounds, Indy scores 79 points. I think it's an odd criticism. The poster can post what they want; can't I criticize the criticism?

So, to answer the question; no, I haven't noticed.
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I didn't say you couldn't criticize it. A big majority of that defense that caused that listed above, was done by other players, especially Bayless who got up in Travis Fords face and made it hard for him to even dribble. The game didn't open up until the 2nd quarter when the bench came in and clamped down.
 
hasoos said:
I didn't say you couldn't criticize it. A big majority of that defense that caused that listed above, was done by other players, especially Bayless who got up in Travis Fords face and made it hard for him to even dribble. The game didn't open up until the 2nd quarter when the bench came in and clamped down.
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The game didn't open up until Granger started missing the 26' jumpers he was launching. It was a very good defensive effort all around. You can credit other players, but blaming Roy for "terrible" defense is a stretch IMO.
 
BGrantFan said:
The 'Stache and/or Rudy Gay. Think people would complain about defense then?
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The Stache already has a championship ring while Roy and LMA do not.

Just one more "fail" by KP. He should have listened to Canzano.
 
Eh, I expect the Roy fanboi's to defend him at all costs, and dont get me wrong he's my favorite Blazer, but in all honesty, he does look to be a step slower when defending guys. Maybe I am nit-picking specific plays and not looking at the whole picture, again I am more concerned about the first half of the games; where its more apparent.


It seems as though when M&M say that Brandon is such a great defender, I see a lot of guys going past him easily.
 
Blue32, you're not alone. I've noticed it too. It just so happens I watched him a lot on defense last night and at times he was pretty much cashing it in. His help defense at times was non-existent. But I wouldn't read too much into it. The game wasn't that close, you got the sense we could pull away whenever we wanted, and Roy has the ability, when he wants to, to make great plays on defense, like his blocks last night. I don't blame him for taking it easy sometimes, given his injuries and minutes. He usually steps up when he needs to.

I'm glad March will give the entire team more rest, especially Roy.
 
blue32 said:
Eh, I expect the Roy fanboi's to defend him at all costs, and dont get me wrong he's my favorite Blazer, but in all honesty, he does look to be a step slower when defending guys. Maybe I am nit-picking specific plays and not looking at the whole picture, again I am more concerned about the first half of the games; where its more apparent.


It seems as though when M&M say that Brandon is such a great defender, I see a lot of guys going past him easily.
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I'm not defending him at all costs, and I'm certainly not a Roy "fanboi". I just found your criticism odd and not at all based on what I observed, in person, last night. You could probably answer me without calling me names. That might add some credibility to your odd criticism of Roy.
 
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Blue32, you're not alone. I've noticed it too. It just so happens I watched him a lot on defense last night and at times he was pretty much cashing it in. His help defense at times was non-existent. But I wouldn't read too much into it. The game wasn't that close, you got the sense we could pull away whenever we wanted, and Roy has the ability, when he wants to, to make great plays on defense, like his blocks last night. I don't blame him for taking it easy sometimes, given his injuries and minutes. He usually steps up when he needs to.

I'm glad March will give the entire team more rest, especially Roy.
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Funny, because I was watching him on defense as well, and thought he did a nice job of help defense by collapsing on Ford and Watson when they penetrated. I guess people see different things. If fact, I thought the defensive effort last night was near-elite in terms of the team being cohesive and helping Miller/Bayless stop Ford specifiically from getting to the rim.
 
BGrantFan said:
I'm not defending him at all costs, and I'm certainly not a Roy "fanboi". I just found your criticism odd and not at all based on what I observed, in person, last night. You could probably answer me without calling me names. That might add some credibility to your odd criticism of Roy.
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Are you really insulted by "fanboi"??? Gimme a break. Grow a pair. That might give you more credibility.

BGrantFan said:
I guess people see different things.
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Yeah, who wouldda thought?
 
noknobs said:
Are you really insulted by "fanboi"??? Gimme a break. Grow a pair. That might give you more credibility.
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Where did I say I was insulted? If I called OP a Roy "hater", would that help matters? Way to stay on-topic, btw.

Oops, did that insult you? Now, back to the thread...
 
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I've noticed his "slacking" on defense, and I'm of the opinion it has to do with his hamstring. To play great defense, you need to squat down, keep your feet moving and be ready to change directions at the drop of a hat. I don't think Brandon wants to test his hamstring at both ends of the floor. I think he does the things that don't cause him to use his hamstrings well (crashing the boards, banging his guy, etc.), but in terms of getting up on his opponent on the perimeter and trying to stay in front of him, not so much.

It's good we have Nico to cover his guy come the playoffs. I also think Martell is underrated as a defender.
 
BGrantFan said:
I'm not defending him at all costs, and I'm certainly not a Roy "fanboi". I just found your criticism odd and not at all based on what I observed, in person, last night. You could probably answer me without calling me names. That might add some credibility to your odd criticism of Roy.
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I didn't specifically call you names.....Odd that you would think I did and then lump yourself into that category. :dunno: :devilwink:


I'm glad I am not alone in the observance of his D. I hope his hamstring does get better though, because I know he can play at a much higher level than he has been recently.
 
blue32 said:
That Roy's defense on semi-star players the last couple of games has been totally shitty?


The 1st half effort on Rudy Gay was terrible.

The effort last night on D was terrible as well.


Maybe it's just me, but it seems as though if Roy isn't scoring, or bringing up the ball, he just stands around on Offense, and on D, he's not really active like he was last year.

In fact, I am starting to wonder if last year was his better year, in terms of all-around impact.

:dunno: Just some early morning thoughts from the last couple of game's impressions.
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Roy can do no wrong. Shame on you for not knowing that already.

Roy's stat line looked ok vs Indy, but his defense in general was pathetic.
 
blue32 said:
Watch again..... He is on Gay quite often...
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I did. No, he isn't. I'm not sure what game you were watching. He did switch to Gay at times, though. Not sure how that is "shitty" defense. Anyhow, it's your opinion. I just happen to disagree. Regardless, Roy outplayed Gay and everybody else on Memphis overall. No biggie. :cheers:
 
BGrantFan said:
Who was Roy "shitty" against last night? He was defending Brandon Rush with some responsiblity on TJ Ford and Earl Watson. If you're talking about Granger, he was launching 3s over LaMarcus and Batum. Plus, Roy blocked 3 shots last night and had his usual 5 rebounds.

What an odd criticism.
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Not really.

Roy has never worked as hard on defense as he does on offense. Since the hamstring became an issue, it is clear (at least IMHO) that he is taking more plays off on the defensive end.

If this is just a health issue, it's no big deal - just as long as it doesn't become a habit.
 
Brandon Roy has a tendency to coast in the first half. This has become apparent even on the defensive end. He plays the last quarter therefore saving his energy for the first three quarters. But that is something he has done since day one of his arrival.
 
BGrantFan said:
I did. No, he isn't. I'm not sure what game you were watching. He did switch to Gay at times, though. Not sure how that is "shitty" defense. Anyhow, it's your opinion. I just happen to disagree. Regardless, Roy outplayed Gay and everybody else on Memphis overall. No biggie. :cheers:
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Okay, so when he switched on Gay, he was terrible.... so big deal if it wasn't his man the entire night.

He only started outplaying people in the 2nd half. 1st half coasting...that's more of what I'm talkin' about.
 
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