Have we signed Dante or Jeff yet?

[MAS RipCity]

i thought we did but can't find a link anywhere? Can anyone provide a link if true?

 

[hasoos]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.



Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Boy that was worth a good laugh. They will probably be signed before Roy and Aldridge. You have to have your priorities you know!

 

[Minstrel]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.



Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Boy that was worth a good laugh. They will probably be signed before Roy and Aldridge. You have to have your priorities you know!

Or it could be because Cunningham/Pendergraph are pretty easy signs while Roy and Aldridge are complex negotiations since they involve huge sums of money and serious long-term commitments.

In further breaking news, the Blazers ordered lunch for the front office from a Thai restaurant, showing that they prioritize that lunch over Roy and Aldridge. Roy expressed disappointment that Thai food was valued more highly than his basketball services.

 

[MAS RipCity]

did we or didnt we?

 

[Ed O]

Boy that was worth a good laugh. They will probably be signed before Roy and Aldridge. You have to have your priorities you know!

The Blazers have Roy and Aldridge UNDER CONTRACT. There's no rush to sign them to extensions. We've got a lot of time to do that.

Ed O.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

The Blazers have Roy and Aldridge UNDER CONTRACT. There's no rush to sign them to extensions. We've got a lot of time to do that.

Ed O.

The rush is that the delay starts to convey a lack of appreciation of the players. For all the talk of "chemistry", this seems like a great way to plant some seeds of dissension...

 

[Tince]

The Blazers have Roy and Aldridge UNDER CONTRACT. There's no rush to sign them to extensions. We've got a lot of time to do that.

Ed O.

Don't let the facts get in the way of his constant complaints!

 

[Minstrel]

The rush is that the delay starts to convey a lack of appreciation of the players. For all the talk of "chemistry", this seems like a great way to plant some seeds of dissension...

The "delay" is called negotiating. Roy could always end the "delay" by agreeing to whatever the Blazers want to pay him. I'm not saying he should do that, but neither should the Blazers just immediately agree to whatever Roy wants. Both sides negotiating for their own interests doesn't show a lack of respect by either side. I don't think it's going to plant seeds of dissension. Everyone involved is aware that it's a business.

 

[blue32]

/wrists and this thread.

 

[Ed O]

did we or didnt we?

I dunno. Sorry. I would think not, or else someone would have a link by now in spite of the bickering about other topics.

Ed O.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

The "delay" is called negotiating. Roy could always end the "delay" by agreeing to whatever the Blazers want to pay him. I'm not saying he should do that, but neither should the Blazers just immediately agree to whatever Roy wants. Both sides negotiating for their own interests doesn't show a lack of respect by either side. I don't think it's going to plant seeds of dissension. Everyone involved is aware that it's a business.

 

[maxiep]

The rush is that the delay starts to convey a lack of appreciation of the players. For all the talk of "chemistry", this seems like a great way to plant some seeds of dissension...

Blazer Hippie, do you realize that two of the primary colors in your avatar are Purple & Piss? I'm not sure that's the message you intended to send. Additionally, part of the sig line is in L*ker Lavender.

P.S. I repped you for your music. It's good stuff.

 

[Wheels]

Or it could be because Cunningham/Pendergraph are pretty easy signs while Roy and Aldridge are complex negotiations since they involve huge sums of money and serious long-term commitments.

In further breaking news, the Blazers ordered lunch for the front office from a Thai restaurant, showing that they prioritize that lunch over Roy and Aldridge. Roy expressed disappointment that Thai food was valued more highly than his basketball services.

lol well played

 

[hasoos]

Or it could be because Cunningham/Pendergraph are pretty easy signs while Roy and Aldridge are complex negotiations since they involve huge sums of money and serious long-term commitments.

In further breaking news, the Blazers ordered lunch for the front office from a Thai restaurant, showing that they prioritize that lunch over Roy and Aldridge. Roy expressed disappointment that Thai food was valued more highly than his basketball services.

Well that all depends. Was it good Thai food, or the type that cleans out your system for a good week or so?

 

[Wheels]

did we or didnt we?

I think I remember KP saying they would have a contract by around training camp.

 

[Minstrel]

Was it good Thai food, or the type that cleans out your system for a good week or so?

Yes.

 

[ODENISGOD]

KP doesn't sign you or else he can rip you off. Go ask ROY

 

[Eastoff]

I think I remember KP saying they would have a contract by around training camp.

I have a memory of someone saying a contract around training camp as well.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The "delay" is called negotiating. Roy could always end the "delay" by agreeing to whatever the Blazers want to pay him. I'm not saying he should do that, but neither should the Blazers just immediately agree to whatever Roy wants. Both sides negotiating for their own interests doesn't show a lack of respect by either side. I don't think it's going to plant seeds of dissension. Everyone involved is aware that it's a business.

Both sides may negotiate for their own interests, but that doesn't mean it should take this long of a "negotiation." It almost sounds like this type of negotiations normally takes a long time, but other teams have shown that isn't the case.

This is no way to treat a player the Blazer intend to make the face of the franchise. And to say it is just part of the process ignores that many other players who are considered franchise players don't go through such a long "negotiation" period.

Why not give Roy what he wants? NO gave Paul what he wanted. Derron Williams even got into it a little with the Jazz and that was locked up sometime in Mid-July last year. This year Barg is all locked up.

Just because the Blazers say this is all part of the negotiation process doesn't mean it is justified negotiations. Blazer management has been bungling (think that's a word) their way throughout this summer and I think their negotiations with Roy is another item on their summer list that they aren't handling well.

 

[Minstrel]

Both sides may negotiate for their own interests, but that doesn't mean it should take this long of a "negotiation."
...
Just because the Blazers say this is all part of the negotiation process doesn't mean it is justified negotiations.

I agree. And just because you want it to be done fast doesn't mean it's "unjustified" negotiations. None of us have any idea what's happening in the negotiations, so my default is to assume that neither side is being villainous.

Blazer management has been bungling (think that's a word) their way throughout this summer

I disagree with that, considering they added an arguable top ten point guard with point guard being their position of greatest need.

and I think their negotiations with Roy is another item on their summer list that they aren't handling well.

Based on what, besides "I want it to be over by now?"

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I agree. And just because you want it to be done fast doesn't mean it's "unjustified" negotiations. None of us have any idea what's happening in the negotiations, so my default is to assume that neither side is being villainous.



I disagree with that, considering they added an arguable top ten point guard with point guard being their position of greatest need.



Based on what, besides "I want it to be over by now?"

We can get all into what their biggest need is (you're wrong it is not PG position) but the fact is Miller was not the Blazers top choice. They mishandled Hedo (try to wine and dine him small town style when clearly money talked) They try to bully Utah by publically talking about a toxic offer), they use their beloved cap sapce on a 33 year old player that is a plug in at the most 3 years and they haven't signed their franchise player when so many other teams would have that done by now.

No I'm not in the Blazer management's office or invovled in negotiations, and I suppose their could be some legit reason the Blazers are toying with Roy . . . but this is not in the norm for signing franchise players.

I don't just default because I'm not part of the negotiations. I listen to what both sides have to say, I look around the league on how these matters are handled outside the Blazer organization and then give it my best guess. And my best guess now is the Blazers are screwing with Roy.

If you are of the mind set that because we aren't privy to the negotiations that you will assume no one is in the wrong and this delay is just normal part of negotiations. . . well I won't be changing your mind because I am not part of the negotation process.

 

[Minstrel]

They mishandled Hedo (try to wine and dine him small town style when clearly money talked)

If you believe money talked, then you believe the Blazers handled it right by offering the max they could. The Raptors simply could offer more.

They try to bully Utah by publically talking about a toxic offer)

How is offering a creatively worked contract to give them the best chance of getting their target "mishandling" it?

they use their beloved cap sapce on a 33 year old player that is a plug in at the most 3 years

A 33 year old player who had an excellent season last year and is one of the better point guards in the league. Again, what about this was bungled?

If you are of the mind set that because we aren't privy to the negotiations that you will assume no one is in the wrong and this delay is just normal part of negotiations. . . well I won't be changing your mind because I am not part of the negotation process.

Agreed. If you don't know anything about it, you won't change my mind. I couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Wheels]

^ Ouch

 

[PapaG]

Why sign either until right before camp? If they get injured between now and camp, why pay them for a season?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Agreed. If you don't know anything about it, you won't change my mind. I couldn't have said it better myself!

That is the whole thing Minstrel . .. I do know something about it. As I said in the other post, I listen to what managment people say , what Roy says, what his agent says and whoever else talks about it. I look at what other teams do in a simialr situation and I make an opinion.

You suggest that if you are not "there in the negotiation" you don't know anything about the situation. I disagree.

But if there is one thing I have learned from posting with you on the same board for years, no matter what the issue . . . I won't change your mind.

 

[Minstrel]

That is the whole thing Minstrel . .. I do know something about it. As I said in the other post, I listen to what managment people say , what Roy says, what his agent says and whoever else talks about it. I look at what other teams do in a simialr situation and I make an opinion.

Yes, I don't count reading the PR disseminated by each side as "knowledge." If you think you're getting a keen insight into what's happening from what Pritchard, Roy and Roy's agent tell reporters, that's fine.

I don't think you have any knowledge and I don't think I do, either. And we're essentially reading the same things, unless you have sources beyond the Portland and national press. That doesn't mean everything is fine, but with no knowledge of the situation I'm not willing to blame one side or the other.

But if there is one thing I have learned from posting with you on the same board for years, no matter what the issue . . . I won't change your mind.

To be frank, that's because you never actually provide any reasoning or new information, in my opinion. You generally provide your own emotional reactions dressed up as evidence and then play passive-aggressive that I'm not crediting it as real reasoning.

Other people on this forum have changed my mind on things. It's not that I refuse to ever change my mind, it's just that I don't find the way you argue compelling. From what I can tell, you don't find the way I argue compelling either. That's fine.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

To be frank, that's because you never actually provide any reasoning or new information, in my opinion. You generally provide your own emotional reactions dressed up as evidence and then play passive-aggressive that I'm not crediting it as real reasoning.

Man you can be so arrogant at times. I don't care if you don't think I provide any reasoning or new information. But then to say I'm trying to dress up my emotional reactions as evidence is such a stupid jerkish thing to say.

I've got into it with you once. Since then I've never really cared to try to pursuade you or care what you think of my opinion. So why the hell would I try to dress things up as evidence. I say what I think. I'm not dressing it up as evidence . . . what ever the hell that means.

And the whole passive aggressive thing . . . whatever . . . I see you use that with other posters too. Label me as you want.

I'm out

 

[Minstrel]

Man you can be so arrogant at times. I don't care if you don't think I provide any reasoning or new information. But then to say I'm trying to dress up my emotional reactions as evidence is such a stupid jerkish thing to say.

Actually, I was simply responding honestly to your implication that I refuse to ever change my mind. I thought that was an unreasonable and "jerkish" thing to insinuate. So don't bother with the victim act.

Had you simply responded to the points without trying to suggest anything about me, personally, none of this would have come up. I responded honestly and directly to what you said, it wasn't intended to be malicious even though I understand why it bothers you.

Also, I don't know when "we got into it" before. I know your past alias and I certainly don't have any lingering issues with you. I was just telling you why you don't tend to change my mind on issues.

 

[PapaG]

Yes, I don't count reading the PR disseminated by each side as "knowledge." If you think you're getting a keen insight into what's happening from what Pritchard, Roy and Roy's agent tell reporters, that's fine.

I don't think you have any knowledge and I don't think I do, either. And we're essentially reading the same things, unless you have sources beyond the Portland and national press. That doesn't mean everything is fine, but with no knowledge of the situation I'm not willing to blame one side or the other.



To be frank, that's because you never actually provide any reasoning or new information, in my opinion. You generally provide your own emotional reactions dressed up as evidence and then play passive-aggressive that I'm not crediting it as real reasoning.

Other people on this forum have changed my mind on things. It's not that I refuse to ever change my mind, it's just that I don't find the way you argue compelling. From what I can tell, you don't find the way I argue compelling either. That's fine.

Oooo, someone is playing the "passive-aggressive" card again, yet not on me this time, and not as an alternative. Did we learn something new in class this summer?

Meanwhile, you are seemingly starting to personify "angry". Not a good personification for a producer, eh?

 

[Minstrel]

Oooo, someone is playing the "passive-aggressive" card again, yet not on me this time, and not as an alternative. Did we learn something new in class this summer?

More than one person can be passive-aggressive. I'm sorry if you thought you had the monopoly on it. It's not uncommon on the internet. You're not as unique as you imagine.

Meanwhile, you are seemingly starting to personify "angry". Not a good personification for a producer, eh?

Why not? We have to have a bad cop for the :good cop, bad cop" routine. My clear rage issues will make you confess to the safe Ed O out of fear.