Hawks win another Cup

[NYR31]

What a team. I thought they'd win over TB and they got it done in 6.

This is probably the last year they make a deep run like this for a little while. Their cap situation is atrocious going forward with Kane/Toews tying up over $20M between the 2 of them plus $5M+ on Hossa for the next 6yrs that they will not be able to get rid of. That is one awful contract.

 

[Messiah717]

You sometimes pay for success but three cups in six years is what any team would strive for with a core of players.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Who are UFA's on the hawks?

 

[Stepupstepan]

They should take a run at Bickel if he is available.

 

[speeds]

Who are UFA's on the hawks?

Forwards
Antoine Vermette C UFA
Brad Richards C UFA
Marcus Kruger C RFA
Brandon Saad LW RFA
Andrew Desjardins C UFA
Joakim Nordstrom C RFA
Daniel Carcillo LW UFA

Defense
Johnny Oduya D UFA
Kimmo Timonen D UFA (ret)
Michal Rozsival D UFA
David Rundblad D RFA

Minors
Matt Carey C RFA
Dennis Rasmussen C RFA
Mac Carruth G RFA
Viktor Svedberg D RFA
Drew Leblanc C RFA
Kyle Cumiskey D UFA
Spencer Abbott LW UFA
Cody Bass C UFA
Pierre-Cedric Labrie LW UFA
Michael Leighton G UFA

 

[vette322]

Rangers aren't in the same area code as the Blackhawks. - 3 cups in 6 years. Rangers have proven these last few years that they struggle in every playoff series, and ultimately can't get it done. Blackhawks will win more cups before the Rangers ever get close.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

What a team. I thought they'd win over TB and they got it done in 6.

This is probably the last year they make a deep run like this for a little while. Their cap situation is atrocious going forward with Kane/Toews tying up over $20M between the 2 of them plus $5M+ on Hossa for the next 6yrs that they will not be able to get rid of. That is one awful contract.

They will end up trading one of those two to start it all over

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[strudwickisthebest]

F u vette

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Hey Al.... Can u believe they gave up a 1st rounder for Vermette???? That's insane!!!

 

[kreidertime]

The same Vermette who was benched in the playoffs and you morons don't want to acknowledge it and think he played a big part of why they won. He didn't. He played 13 minutes a game. I'm sure somebody else would have had the game winners on that team because that is what they do. They have done it for 6 years.

Hawks won because of their core and because they continue to have picks like Saad and Teravanien who come up big. Not because they gave away a 1st rounder for a guy they benched and gave 4th line minutes to. Morons.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Hags, Yandle for Bickel and Saad. Pipe dream.

 

[NYR31]

Dump, i agree that Vermette was nothing special and should not be touted as a great trade that put them over the hump. However, the purpose of the game is to win the Stanley Cup and if losing that 1st rd pick on the Vermette deal is part of the cost of winning it, then so be it and i'd say it's worth it.

They do have to make significant changes and probably will have a down year next season, but they are a very well run team so the window is not closed on them by any means. They just need to retool the way they did after the first Cup.

 

[kreidertime]

Amazing that with all the great players on the Hawks a few clowns here credit a guy who played 13 minutes and was benched. Typical of those posters.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

as you usual you totally fucking miss the point. smh..what ever the draft is right around the corner, cant wait to see all the cut and paste jobs to hear about how great the next great class of two way smallish forwards the Rangers will draft or perhaps another defenseman who fail to live up to first round billings

 

[Disturbed]

Hawks only scored 13 goals in 6 games and Vermette scored 2 game winning goals in the 3rd period to win 2 games including the pivotal game 5 on the road. Dismissing that is idiotic. Sure maybe they would have won the cup without him but he came up big for them, end of story. Trade was a success period.

I don't care what he did in the playoffs overall.....he scored 3 huge goals in the WCF and Finals.....BTW this is exactly the type of huge goals this team has not scored and is why they don't have a cup despite 3 trips to the ECF.

Using this logic you could argue the Amonte trade for Matteau and Noonan was WAAAAAY worse despite the huge goal Matteau scored that helped allow them to win their first cup in 54 years. Because, you know, someone else on the Rangers would have scored in maybe 3 OT vs the Devils in 94......and they would have had Amonte for 10 more years.

Chicago won a cup and Vermette had 2 game winners in the finals. Great trade for the 30th pick in 1st round. End of thread

 

[kreidertime]

Trade was an absolute failure. When you give up a first round pick, bench the guy in the playoffs twice and play him 13 minutes a game, the trade was a failure. You aren't giving up a good prospect and a first round pick for a guy you play 4th line minutes and bench twice. The Rangers gave up 1st round picks for St. Louis and Yandle who they basically were counting on to be impact players. You people are on crack. The reason the Hawks won was not Vermette. It was a lot more Teravanien who was a first round pick. He had 4 points in 6 games in the finals. Vermette had 2 G, 0 A in 6 games and played 10 minutes a game in the finals. 4th line minutes. That is not what you give up a first round pick for. That's one more minute a game than Tanner "I suck ass" Glass played in the finals. He had a couple of timely goals. Other than that, Vermette sucked in the playoffs for the Hawks. If he was a huge part of them winning, the trade would have been a success. He wasn't and that is a fact. He's also a UFA now. It was the same guys as always that won them the cup. Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith and a couple of players like Saad and Terevanien.

 

[cagedlion]

Bottom f'kn line: Hawks won 3 SCs in 6 years.
NYR, my team, still searching/trying.......

 

[puck2]

probably 98% of NHL players will never score a game winning goal in a Stanley cup final, let alone 2. The Vermette deal paid huge dividends for the hawks.

 

[puck2]

probably 98% of NHL players will never score a game winning goal in a Stanley cup final, let alone 2. The Vermette deal paid huge dividends for the hawks.

 

[puck2]

and while i'm at it, since none on the board mentioned it, congratulations to Brad Richards and Michael Rozival for having there name etched on the cup for the second time. Both players consummate pro's who handle themselves on and off the ice with class.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Don't forget Carcillo

 

[panzerporter]

Quenneville is a great coach and the Hawks are great at replacing the higher salary players they allow to walk come free agency. I was glad to see them bury those cheap-shotting Tampa clowns.

 

[Messiah717]

Richards nabs two assists in the clincher. Good for him.

 

[kreidertime]

What most here are also forgetting is the reason the Hawks gave up that first rounder was not because they thought Vermette would be the missing piece in the playoffs which he wasn't. They gave it up because Kane was out about 2 months with an injury. In those regular season games Vermette was scratched, had 0 G, 3 A in 19 games. They didn't get back anywhere close to the value they expected. Not in the playoffs either when the guy played 10 minutes a game in the finals.

Right now on this board we have about 5 to 8 posters that think 1st and 2nd round picks don't matter when you are going for it. That's an idiotic mentality. The Hawks keep winning and their farm is still stocked. The next guy up for them contributing will be Hartman. Teravainen was a first round pick just 2 years ago. With the idiotic thinking on this board, the Hawks wouldn't have had a pick to draft him.

 

[chuckd3534]

Who cares. It is the 30th pick and they won a cup...who cares.

When you were on board with all the trades Sather made dealing late 1st round picks did you think they didn't matter dump??? OF COURSE NOT....but you were still on board and liked all those trades at the time. WHY??? Because you understand while those picks mean something of course, they are not the end all be all. We are not talking about top 5 or top 10 or top 15 picks even.

Maybe you get a solid NHL player there, and maybe you don't, and the odds of you getting anything more than a solid NHL player are VERY SLIM. Odds are greater you don't get an NHL player there than one who is more than a solid type player.

That is why you liked all the trades when Sather made them, you understood that. We all understood that. That doesn't mean the picks are useless or we should throw them away, but we also need to keep things in perspective here. YES they have good value, but they are not the end all be all when you pick that late in the 1st.

We really need to stop with the nonsense already. It is over and done with. The constant living in the past and bickering over late 1st round picks we dealt over the past few years needs to stop, it is getting old now. When those deals were made pretty much all of us were on board, and even if we weren't who cares since the deals happened and we cannot go back in time and change them now.

So I was on board, you were on board dump, most were on board with the deals when made. Is what it is at this point. We all need to move on, me included.

 

[Rangers94]

Vermette also won 73% of his faceoffs, scored two GAME WINNING GOALS IN THE FINALS, helped them win a Cup, and their coach actually benched him which he used as motovation to step up his game and play better. Is he THE reason they won? Heck no. Did he contribute to their winning? Heck yes. He was a + player for them, and scored goals at timely times for them. But dump, you want to sit here and worry about them losing the 30th pick when they won the Cup instead. That 30th pick can be signed as a FA when they need someone. Their issue is the cap. They knew they needed to win NOW, and they made a move when Kane went down to get better.

Enough is enough dump. You're always saying our farm is loaded, these writers are hacks, prospect A is going to be a 50 point guy. Now we lost and you're over here coming to reality that, the farm is NOT loaded, the writers aren't hacks they were just not homers, and not every prospect is going to pan out. Welcome to the real world. Now just admit the fact that you've said these things and we can all move on and stop discussing the Vermette thing. We bring it up because of your excuses and unwillingness to admit your mistakes and errors and instead just ignore it.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

Considering the ultimate goal is to win the Stanley Cup (not have a stocked farm system) and considering Vermette scored two (2) game winning goals in the Stanley Cup Finals, I imagine every single hockey analyst would grade that trade as a success. Giving up the 30th pick in this year's draft and one single prospect for a Stanley Cup it should be no debate. Anyone on here would have thrown in one of their kidneys for the Rangers to have made the same trade if it would've resulted in a Cup. Sure, draft picks are important but it's more likely that the 30th pick in this year's draft won't be scoring two game winning goals in the Stanley Cup Finals in his career, let alone in the same year. Hawks win the cup thanks to two huge goals by Vermette = successful trade.

 

[Messiah717]

I don't think there's anything left to say on the matter. They won the cup so any move they made is successful. What the hell is the goal of any season?