Bogus! HB 2020

[GhostOfPGA]

Thoughts?

I come from a logging family, this is not a good bill.

 

[Chris Craig]

23 cents more a gallon of gas to cap emmisions. I can see how it would be bad for logging families. They would have to pay for going over the cap. Then those costs will get sent down the line to the customers. It's tough.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

23 cents more a gallon of gas to cap emmisions. I can see how it would be bad for logging families. They would have to pay for going over the cap. Then those costs will get sent down the line to the customers. It's tough.

It’s gonna put a lot of mills/families/workers out of business, up the Canyon and near the coast.

 

[Chris Craig]

It’s gonna put a lot of mills/families/workers out of business, up the Canyon and near the coast.

Yeah. Smaller family businesses. Larger companies can survive it. I think a better way to handle this rather than strong hold businesses like your families is to provide more incentives for using less emissions. Then companies will work towards cutting down rather than being forced out of business.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Yeah. Smaller family businesses. Larger companies can survive it. I think a better way to handle this rather than strong hold businesses like your families is to provide more incentives for using less emissions. Then companies will work towards cutting down rather than being forced out of business.

Another big problem is big businesses will use this bill to pollute all they want and use our forests as “carbon offsets”. That’s why so many big businesses are in favor of it.

 

[Chris Craig]

Another big problem is big businesses will use this bill to pollute all they want and use our forests as “carbon offsets”. That’s why so many big businesses are in favor of it.

Exactly, because to them it's a small bill to pay. It is riduculous. They won't have my vote.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Exactly, because to them it's a small bill to pay. It is riduculous. They won't have my vote.

Sadly it’s not going to a vote, Kate Brown and her super majority are trying to force this down all our throats.

 

[Chris Craig]

Got these protestors downtown too. They don't understand that its not as easy lets just don't pollute. Let's just cut down emissions. It's so entangled in politics it sucks.

 

[Chris Craig]

Sadly it’s not going to a vote, Kate Brown and her super majority are trying to force this down all our throats.

Republicans are hiding though which in this case I agree with

 

[Chris Craig]

Hey Ghost how would emissions in smaller businesses compare to those in larger businessess? Smaller businesses still wouldn't be able to pay the bill on that because even though your guys emissions are far less than larger companies it is still more than you can afford right? That is messed up.

That should be taken in account in such bills. They are trying to make you guys pay the same as the large companies. That isn't right.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Cap and Tax large families.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Hey Ghost how would emissions in smaller businesses compare to those in larger businessess? Smaller businesses still wouldn't be able to pay the bill on that because even though your guys emissions are far less than larger companies it is still more than you can afford right? That is messed up.

That should be taken in account in such bills. They are trying to make you guys pay the same as the large companies. That isn't right.

This is just another way that the elite political class couldn’t care less about the average person or small business.

 

[MarAzul]

Thoughts?

I come from a logging family, this is not a good bill.

I can see your problem, but what family benefits from this stupid bill?
Who is getting this tax revenue?

I can only gasp at the crap the mindless majority support. It continues.
When will they wake up!

 

[MarAzul]

They are trying to make you guys pay the same as the large companies. That isn't right.

Horse shit!
Nobody benefits from this crap. It is utterly mindless!

 

[MarAzul]

How did this mindless majority become the majority in my beautiful State?
Total failure of the education system. But what is worse, that is the plan!

 

[santeesioux]

I come from a logging family as well, it's not a good bill for down here either.

 

[barfo]

Could one of you outline what you see as the negative aspects of this bill and the impact it will have?

It appears to me at first glance (and I've only spent a couple minutes reading about it so far, so I'm not claiming knowledge) that it has two major components:
1) a gas tax increase (with rebates for ag, timber, and poor people)
2) carbon tax on large industries (about 100 companies).

I get that nobody wants to pay more for gas, and obviously people who live in rural areas tend to drive longer distances. I get that a business on the edge of failing can be pushed over the edge by an additional tax (or any other new negative event).

Is there more to it than that?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Could one of you outline what you see as the negative aspects of this bill and the impact it will have?

It appears to me at first glance (and I've only spent a couple minutes reading about it so far, so I'm not claiming knowledge) that it has two major components:
1) a gas tax increase (with rebates for ag, timber, and poor people)
2) carbon tax on large industries (about 100 companies).

I get that nobody wants to pay more for gas, and obviously people who live in rural areas tend to drive longer distances. I get that a business on the edge of failing can be pushed over the edge by an additional tax (or any other new negative event).

Is there more to it than that?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Is there more to it than that?

 

[barfo]

Well, here's your chance Marzy. Educate me. What's in the bill?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What's in the bill?

Hopefully a severed head.

 

[Lanny]

Thoughts?

I come from a logging family, this is not a good bill.

I think it's a good bill.
People will have to pay for the goods and services that pollute our air. Our air is not a free dump for polluters.
We're all going to have to pay more for what the pollution does to us and the proceeds will go to those most affected and to the DEQ among others.
Those affected will have to pass the cost along and the rest of us will have to pay. Then, us consumers will have to make decisions on which goods and services to consume based on economics.
What you can't have is products offered at a reduced price because they take advantage of our environment.

 

[Lanny]

Hopefully a severed head.

The Bag Man.

 

[riverman]

I just bought a cordless Oregon Saves chainsaw...it rocks! Cut all day without a recharge

 

[riverman]

I don't think this bill is good for the state but they should figure out a way to move timber with trucks that don't Make a valley reek of diesel fuel 24 hrs a day...I hike up a mountain road and I could gag when a logging truck passes...and it stays in the air forever....found a 36" Stihl in the road ditch on my hike and saw a logger up the hill looking for his gas can and tools that fell out of his truck.....I gave him his saw and he said he should probably close his tail gate...lot of gas and oil sitting in the ditch bordering some dry pine...saw him later smoking a cigarette near a slash pile

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah. Smaller family businesses. Larger companies can survive it. I think a better way to handle this rather than strong hold businesses like your families is to provide more incentives for using less emissions. Then companies will work towards cutting down rather than being forced out of business.

So in a way this has been done. Its tax rebates. But then the public goes crazy when they find out large companies don't pay any taxes (but its because of the credits and rebates we made available)

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[riverman]

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EAT YOUR KALE SON!

 

[Chris Craig]

So in a way this has been done. Its tax rebates. But then the public goes crazy when they find out large companies don't pay any taxes (but its because of the credits and rebates we made available)

Show me a large muliti million/billion dollar company who has actually cut down on enough emissions to get a free tax bill. Those issues who more so do to giant tax cuts and loopholes that are unnecessary and only exist because of greed.

Giant companies should be treated differently than small businesses. They can't be expected to pay the same as large companies. It creates an undue burden.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

EAT YOUR KALE SON!

The bowl lost integrity and it spilled.