Herman Cain wins GOP Florida straw poll

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/24/herman-cain-wins-cpac-florida-straw-poll/

 

[barfo]

Perry is apparently yesterday's news. How dare he have kids vaccinated and let immigrants go to college! The horror, the horror...

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Perry is apparently yesterday's news. How dare he have kids vaccinated and let immigrants go to college! The horror, the horror...

barfo

I never thought he had a chance anyway.

 

[barfo]

I never thought he had a chance anyway.

What's your prediction from here on out?

Mine: I think Christie will run, Palin won't. Nobody else of any importance will. Christie will rocket to the top just like Perry, then fall just like Perry. Eventually, it will be Romney and one conservative - not sure who. Who knows, maybe Santorum is the last man standing. If the conservative is damaged at that point, Romney wins. If not, the conservative wins.

Of course, I could be wrong and probably am.

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

What's your prediction from here on out?

Mine: I think Christie will run, Palin won't. Nobody else of any importance will. Christie will rocket to the top just like Perry, then fall just like Perry. Eventually, it will be Romney and one conservative - not sure who. Who knows, maybe Santorum is the last man standing. If the conservative is damaged at that point, Romney wins. If not, the conservative wins.

Of course, I could be wrong and probably am.

barfo

My prediction has been from the start that Romney wins. Then, if he cannot find a very conservative running mate (or even if he does) the far right run a third party candidate and torpedoes him for an easy Obama win.

 

[MARIS61]

Perry is apparently yesterday's news. How dare he force parents to use their kids as medical guinea pigs, refuse to enforce certain US laws in order to solicit votes, and force taxpayers to pay for college for felons!

barfo

FIFY.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

FIFY.

Have you thought of leaving, Mixim?

 

[ABM]

Have you thought of leaving, Mixim?

Don't bother with MARIS. He's just a bitter old man shrouded by socialistic/communistic bubble. He looks through a much different lens than just about anyone I know or have had contact with.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Don't bother with MARIS. He's just a bitter old man shrouded by socialistic/communistic bubble. He looks through a much different lens than just about anyone I know or have had contact with.

I used to have him on 'ignore' as he hasn't contributed anything except crap for a long time. He's one of 3 people or so who simply refuse to be anything but a crap troll. They are no better, and probably worse than Mixim.

 

[julius]

Don't bother with MARIS. He's just a bitter old man shrouded by socialistic/communistic bubble. He looks through a much different lens than just about anyone I know or have had contact with.

you realize that what he was "fixing" goes against socialism, right?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I don't know if this is true or not, but it was from a comment in the paper:

“The reason why the Florida Straw Poll has been an accurate predictor of the eventual primary winner has a lot to do with the selection of the 3,500 delegates. They are some of the most passionate Republicans in the state, chosen from each of the 67 counties. To become a delegate you must have applied earlier in the year, been chosen by a lottery, and pay $175 –- which accounts for not just the opportunity to vote, but the ability to attend an array of Republican events that began today.”

I don't know if that's good or bad, but it's probably from a group more knowledgeable than the people you see on "Jay-walking."

 

[barfo]

I don't know if this is true or not, but it was from a comment in the paper:


I don't know if that's good or bad, but it's probably from a group more knowledgeable than the people you see on "Jay-walking."

I don't understand the logic. Why would a vote by 'the most passionate Republicans in the state' be an accurate predictor of how the less-passionate Republicans will vote?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don't understand the logic. Why would a vote by 'the most passionate Republicans in the state' be an accurate predictor of how the less-passionate Republicans will vote?

barfo

Passionate voters tend to vote more than once on election day.

I know I do!

 

[julius]

I won a straw man poll once.

(that's my best barfo/abm impersonation)

 

[jlprk]

He looks through a much different lens than just about anyone I know or have had contact with.

You would be smarter if you'd have contact with more types of beliefs. Maris is a good guy.

But I have to admit, I like Florida's idea that Republicans have to pay $175 to vote. Can we get that going here?

 

[jlprk]

Has any nation ever been led by a Herman?

 

[barfo]

Has any nation ever been led by a Herman?

Or a Willard?

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Don't bother with MARIS. He's just a bitter old man shrouded by socialistic/communistic bubble. He looks through a much different lens than just about anyone I know or have had contact with.

Clearly you don't know me, or socialism or communism for that matter.

I am in favor of capitalism. Otherwise I would have relocated by now. I am in favor of government regulation of business for our safety, health and protection from graft.

I am in favor of socialized medicine and Social Security. If government cannot provide it's people with needs as basic as healthcare and a retirement annuity I really don't think that government is worth having.

 

[Denny Crane]

Government regulation of business for protection from graft. There's an oxymoron.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Clearly you don't know me, or socialism or communism for that matter.

I am in favor of capitalism. Otherwise I would have relocated by now. I am in favor of government regulation of business for our safety, health and protection from graft.

I am in favor of socialized medicine and Social Security. If government cannot provide it's people with needs as basic as healthcare and a retirement annuity I really don't think that government is worth having.

Yeah, forget

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[75] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

...

or

To Form a More Perfect Union, To Establish Justice, To Provide for the Common Defense, To Secure the Blessings of Liberty, To Promote the General Welfare, and To Insure Domestic Tranquility

If the government can't make someone else to pay for my health and ability not to work when I get to be post-middle aged, screw it! That's what America was built on!

 

[Denny Crane]

The ultimate problem with govt. provided health care is that you're effectively taking from doctors. You're taking their labor for prices they can't negotiate freely.

If govt. pays more for heart surgeries and puny fees for general care, then the doctors will all become heart specialists and we will be hurting for general care physicians. It's already happening.

 

[ABM]

Clearly you don't know me, or socialism or communism for that matter.

I am in favor of capitalism. Otherwise I would have relocated by now. I am in favor of government regulation of business for our safety, health and protection from graft.

I am in favor of socialized medicine and Social Security. If government cannot provide it's people with needs as basic as healthcare and a retirement annuity I really don't think that government is worth having.

I want to apologize for my previous remarks. They were unwarranted and unfair. Thanks for clarifying your stance for me.

 

[ABM]

Tell us how you really feel, Herman...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cain-nearly-quit-campaign-florida-straw-poll-says-115734617.html

Cain said the run for the White House is his toughest challenge yet--and it's been anything but boring. Despite the frustrations of running a national campaign, you can tell he's enjoying it. But it doesn't take much to get him riled up.

After a few caffeine-heavy refills at our corner table, I asked him about President Obama's new effort to raise taxes on the wealthy, and Cain just about blew a blood vessel--especially when I mentioned the part where Obama says it's about "math" not "class warfare."

"Can I be blunt? That's a lie," Cain said, before the sound of his voice began to rise noticeably higher. "You're not supposed to call the president a liar. Well if you're not supposed to call the president a liar, he shouldn't tell a lie. If it's not class warfare, it's highway robbery. He wants us to believe it's not class warfare, oh okay, it's not class warfare. Pick my pockets, because that's what he's doing!"

Cain paused, took a breath and looked at me.

"I'm not mad at you, I just get passionate about this stuff," he said. "I have to tell people because I get so worked up . . . . I'm listening to all this bullshit that he's talking about, 'fairness' and 'balanced approach' to get this economy going."......

 

[jlprk]

Listen people, to what I say!!
I say everybody's got to have their day!!

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[ABM]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64590.html

The indefatigable Juana Summers sends over this dispatch from Sarah Palin's appearance with Greta Van Susteren, in which she took a shot at Herman Cain (whom she called "Herm" at one point) days after his Florida straw poll win:

“Take Herman Cain. He’s doing so well right now. I guess you could say, with all due respect, he’s the flavor of the week. Herman Cain is the one up there who doesn’t look like he’s part of that permanent political class. He came from a working class family. He’s had to make it on his own all these years. We respect that. He has an automatic connection with the electorate. We can all relate to him. He knows the issues and problems we face every day and he’s determined to do something about it.”

“He’s not elite. He doesn’t seem to allow us to be disenchanted with what it is that he’s proposing, because what he proposes in terms of solutions for our economy are based on time tested truths and common sense and true economic principles that will work”

“Herman Cain is a good example of a connection with the voters and why his message – good messenger – he’s resonating with the people.”

 

[jlprk]

The indefatigable Juana Summers sends over this dispatch from Sarah Palin's appearance with Greta Van Susteren, in which she took a shot at Herman Cain (whom she called "Herm" at one point) days after his Florida straw poll win:

Sarah Palin is no racist. She did Glen Rice when he was 19 in college and she was an adult reporter assigned to interview him. This was while she was going with the stud she married 9 months later. I admire that lack of racist discretion. She'll go far. About as far as you can go.

 

[ABM]

Is Cain's 9-9-9 plan a viable answer/solution to the apparent mess we're in?

 

[julius]

Is Cain's 9-9-9 plan a viable answer/solution to the apparent mess we're in?

I'm sure that one could find any suggestion to be both a solution and a non solution to the mess we're in.

I'm not trying to be flippant, but I doubt that Cain just figured "hey, three 9's sound so nice!"

I would bet he put together a team of people who created an idea that worked, but it could possibly have the criteria that doesn't necessary benefit the most people or the country as a whole. Did that make sense?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm sure that one could find any suggestion to be both a solution and a non solution to the mess we're in.

I'm not trying to be flippant, but I doubt that Cain just figured "hey, three 9's sound so nice!"

I would bet he put together a team of people who created an idea that worked, but it could possibly have the criteria that doesn't necessary benefit the most people or the country as a whole. Did that make sense?

Nein

 

[barfo]

Is Cain's 9-9-9 plan a viable answer/solution to the apparent mess we're in?

Not unless you think taxing the poor and middle class more, and the rich less, is what the country needs.

And a whopping huge sales tax might just depress consumer demand even further. Keep in mind that that 9% would be added on top of existing state and local sales taxes.

On the plus side, simplification of the tax code is a good thing.

barfo