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JFK hadn't been assassinated?

or RFK?

Or MLK?

Or what if Bush didn't lose the 92 Election? Or the son win the 04 election?


It's interesting watching the shows about Kennedy (my parents were in college when it happened, and coming down to my moms parents house for Thanksgiving).

It's interesting to hear their views on the assassination, and how they both felt that it was kind of the "bloom off the rose" of the 60's.
 
In all seriousness, I've wondered that a lot. I think Kennedy could have really "changed" this country. Same with Lincoln. They had the country's best interest in mind
 
In all seriousness, I've wondered that a lot. I think Kennedy could have really "changed" this country. Same with Lincoln. They had the country's best interest in mind

Me too. I think that RFK as president could've been better than Nixon, and a better candidate than Humphrey. If nothing, the War in Vietnam could've ended sooner.


One things for sure, LBJ was a shit-can president (even with the Civil rights stuff he did)
 
Me too. I think that RFK as president could've been better than Nixon, and a better candidate than Humphrey. If nothing, the War in Vietnam could've ended sooner.


One things for sure, LBJ was a shit-can president (even with the Civil rights stuff he did)

Lebron James?
 
JFK was seen as a lightweight by the commies. Cuban Missile Crisis and all that. If JFK lived, we might have been nuked.

He also wasn't the saint some would make him out to be.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/kennedy_legacy_black_voters_jo.html

"Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King."
 
JFK hadn't been assassinated?

or RFK?

Or MLK?

Or what if Bush didn't lose the 92 Election? Or the son win the 04 election?

Excellent questions...

I have read that JFK's philandering and addiction to pain pills would have caught up to him during a second term as it was already beginning to leak out. The damage to the Presidency and the Kennedy reputation would have been horrific given the times as he would have had to remove himself from office. It probably would have also prevented RFK from ever running.

But assuming he made it through I think LBJ never would have been President and The Great Welfare Society would have never come around. As a result of no cradle to grave welfare system we probably would have less taxation, substantially stronger economy and a much more conservative fiscal outlook with respect to deficit and debt.

As to MLK, if his philandering ways never became public as well, I think race wars and integration of society would have been much smoother. Had his love of hoes became public knowledge then it may have unraveled, but not too much. In the 60's people had a much higher morality than they do today.

VERY interesting thread. One of the best in the last few years. Sad more people don't comment.
 
President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King."

There's as much evidence for that as there is that Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster, Bobby Kennedy killed Marilyn Monroe, or that Barrack Obama was born in Kenya.

You're carrying on in the JFK thread against "conspiracy theorists" while being one here. What hypocrisy.

Rumors came from someone in the FBI, transferring blame to the dead Kennedys. Same for the CIA spreading a rumor after both men were dead that Diem's assassination was JFK's fault. Dead men can't defend themselves.
 
There's as much evidence for that as there is that Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster, Bobby Kennedy killed Marilyn Monroe, or that Barrack Obama was born in Kenya.

You're carrying on in the JFK thread against "conspiracy theorists" while being one here. What hypocrisy.

Rumors came from someone in the FBI, transferring blame to the dead Kennedys. Same for the CIA spreading a rumor after both men were dead that Diem's assassination was JFK's fault. Dead men can't defend themselves.

There you go again, jlprk.

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I don't think Clinton killed anyone, that Kennedy killed Monroe, or that Obama was born in Kenya. Seems like straw man argument to me.

King was certainly spied on by the FBI. http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/31/mlk.fbi.conspiracy/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Jacq...tin-luther-king-jr-revealed/story?id=14478321

Speaking in the months after her husband's assassination, Jacqueline Kennedy was so upset with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. that she told a friend and interviewer that she could barely look at images of him.

"I just can't see a picture of Martin Luther King without thinking, you know, that man's terrible," Mrs. Kennedy said, as part of an oral history series of interviews released this month.

The widowed first lady soured on King as a result of secret wiretaps arranged by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. Hoover had told President Kennedy that King tried to arrange a sex party while in town for the March on Washington, and told Robert Kennedy that King had made derogatory comments during the president's funeral, Mrs. Kennedy recalled.

But as for what was actually said by King and his circle, history remains uncertain. The original surveillance tapes involving King have never been released publicly, and are under seal by court order until 2027.

CONSPIRACY

:lol:

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...-surveillance-program-intelligence-activities

The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech inspired the world. It also galvanized the FBI into undertaking one of its biggest surveillance operations in history.

Initially approved in October 1963 by then-Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, the FBI’s wiretap and clandestine microphone campaign against King lasted until his assassination in April 1968. It was initially justified to probe King’s suspected, unproven links to the Communist Party, morphing into a crusade to “neutralize” and discredit the civil rights leader.

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In an Oct. 1, 1963, memo to his field offices, Hoover directed “that we at once intensify our coverage of communist influence on the Negro.”

Robert F. Kennedy that month approved the installation of wiretaps on King’s phone and those at the New York and Atlanta offices of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, ostensibly to look into any communist ties.

The bureau in December 1963 decided to expand its microphone and wiretap effort without telling Kennedy in “a secret effort to discredit Dr. King and to ‘neutralize’ him as the leader of the civil rights movement,” said the Church report.
 
You are bright enough to know that your post verifies mine, aren't you? Hoover lied for a living. He divided and conquered. He told the Kennedys, whom he disliked politically, that King disliked them. After they were dead, his minions spread the rumor that his bad deeds had been approved by the Kennedys to damage their legacy.

I just said that, so you considerately verified it. Thanks. It's been common knowledge since the 70s. Catch up.
 
More conspiracy theory bullshit.

You go, girl!
 
Really? You lack the awareness that your conspiracy theories have been the minority view for 40 years?
 
When your conspiracy theory needs a conspiracy theory to back it up, you're really reaching.
 
In all seriousness, I've wondered that a lot. I think Kennedy could have really "changed" this country. Same with Lincoln. They had the country's best interest in mind

Which is why the people we continue to serve had them killed.
 
JFK was seen as a lightweight by the commies. Cuban Missile Crisis and all that. If JFK lived, we might have been nuked.

Get your pointy hat and go sit in the corner.

JFK's deft handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis stands out to this day as the pinnacle of America's stature and popularity in the world. The power shift that occurred as Russia lost face worldwide was one they never recovered from, and had a lot more to do with their eventual collapse than Ronny Reagan ever did.

Everyone loves a winner, and everyone wanted to be an American after Kennedy sent Khrushchev home with his tale between his knees.
 
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
JFK was seen as a lightweight by the commies. Cuban Missile Crisis and all that.

Only right-wing elements of the American news media said that. They said he looked so young and out of place. You need to broaden your reading beyond the right wing.

To see how Kennedy brilliantly ran circles around all sides, from Air Force chief Curtis LeMay who wanted a nuclear war, to getting Soviet missiles out of Cuba, you need to watch "Thirteen Days."

2 hours, starring Republican Kevin Costner. Free. Educate yourself beyond your specialized news sites.

 
:lol:

Hollywood fiction?

Seriously?
 
You already finish watching? Gimme the rest of that Jiffy Pop.
 
You already finish watching? Gimme the rest of that Jiffy Pop.

Denny never watches or reads, lest he learn something uunsettling.

He cuts and pastes, states his opinion which is seldom supported by his cut and pastes. Then he tries to deflect correction by throwing fairy dust and making loud popping noises with his thumb and cheek.

How a guy his age could live his entire life with blinders on is so sad.
 
LOL

Hollywood script is historical fact?

No wonder you guys come across the way you do.
 

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