How good do you think Marcus can be this year?

[Jizzy]

Obviously he's going to be rusty his first couple games so don't jump on the kid but looking at guys like Farmar, Lowry, Rondo.. all have improved tremendously this season. Marcus has the most natural talent between them. Looking at the pics, he's lost amazing weight this offseason, really looks trimmed. he has a year under his belt, what do you expect out of him?</p>

 

[SportsTicker]

I am not feeling good about this at all. I think it's January before he even steps on the court.</p>

 

[Teaneck_Armory_Guy]

I've somehow never expected him to be any more than an average starting point guard for an average team down the line. Certainly, he'll never fill Kidd's shoes and I just don't buy into that we can pencil him in as the Nets point of the future. Sure, he can help us as a key sub this year. Beyond that, I'm willing to be pleasantly suprised.</p>

 

[Universe]

A Pantsless man's acid trip induced vision of Jason Kidd.</p>

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I am not feeling good about this at all. I think it's January before he even steps on the court.</p>

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wtf. i thought he'd be practicing already,</p>

Close thread, ban user.</p>

 

[J.S]

8 2 and 4 in 14mpg just average. does he play defense? will he have a good chip on his shoulder or a bad one?</p> I think we'll see a few lineups with 2 PG's so I think he'll have some 16-20 point games here and there.

 

[adisodes]

I am convinced Marcus Williams is the only worthy point guard to carry the torch that will be left by Jason Kidd.</p>

I am not kidding and I am not crazy. I will bank the Nets future on this kid.</p>

 

[ghoti]

He should just stay out, because he's everyone's favorite player as long as he's not on the court.</p>

My guess is that he will have flashes of brilliance in between all the horrible decision-making and non-existant defense.</p>

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[jarkid]

I am on Marcus' side, he will have a good performance once he comes back.</p>

He didn't play good defense, because he was too slow. While he is in a better shape, he can move quickly.</p>

That would help him to improve his driving speed, and cross-over.</p>

He will be a stud off the bench.</p>

Ghoti, can you tell me which Nets you don't blame?</p>

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

He should just stay out, because he's everyone's favorite player as long as he's not on the court.</p>

My guess is that he will have flashes of brilliance in between all the horrible decision-making and non-existant defense.</p>

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I agree 1 Million %.</p>

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[J.S]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (adisodes)</div><div class='quotemain'>

I am convinced Marcus Williams is the only worthy point guard to carry the torch that will be left by Jason Kidd.</p>

I am not kidding and I am not crazy. I will bank the Nets future on this kid.</p></div>

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I agree that he has the potential to do great things, he'll never be Kidd's clone (which is fine by me, Kidd is no mere mortal) but Marcus is a guy who can bring up people around him and can grow into a floor general. Right now he's still private 1st class. When he gets his game back (returning from injury) maybe he can rise in the ranks of point guards. I think it's gonna be a long time before we can say who he is, like 3-4 years, he's still a baby in the NBA.</p>That said, having 51 and Boone around can't hurt.

 

[ghoti]

Why would anyone believe he will be in better shape when he retuns from months of inactivity?</p>

It's going to take him some time to get back to the low level he was playing at at the end of last season.</p>

 

[jarkid]

Because it's just afoot surgery, not knees surgery.</p>

And you judge a player by his rookie season, it's not fair at all.</p>

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Because it's just afoot surgery, not knees surgery.</p>

And you judge a player by his rookie season, it's not fair at all.</p>

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He was in bad shape when healthy, any injury should give doubts about his shape.</p>

If we don't judge him by what we've seen of him, what should we judge him by? If he had a good rookie season and everyone was singing his praises, would you come in here and say 'That's not fair to judge him by, he's not that good'?</p>

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[callmecrazi4]

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Im hoping Marcus can be playing around 15-17 mins a game by this time next month...that way we keep kidd fresh for the postseason where we're gonna need him for 40+ mins in certain games. Personally I feel we are still offensively capable when Marcus is on the court...he's a better passer than either Darrell Armstrong or Eddie Gill and the offense runs best with him backing up Kidd.</p>

 

[ghoti]

I want him to be good.</p>

If he comes back and plays well, I'll say so. I'll be giddy with joy.</p>

Right now, my lasting memories of him are not good.</p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Because it's just afoot surgery, not knees surgery.</p>

And you judge a player by his rookie season, it's not fair at all.</p>

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He was in bad shape when healthy, any injury should give doubts about his shape.</p>

If we don't judge him by what we've seen of him, what should we judge him by? If he had a good rookie season and everyone was singing his praises, would you come in here and say 'That's not fair to judge him by, he's not that good'?</p>

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You can judge by what you have seen, but you can notjudge a player and set your allimpression by his rookie season only.</p>

If you believe the rookie season is equal to his all career, then Antoine Wright should be a bust, and not start for the Nets in many games.</p>

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By the way, when he was healthy, he was in bad shape, but he has lost all his weight,</p>

if you think the foot surgery would make him back, then please set your tone after watching his debut this season.</p>

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Because it's just afoot surgery, not knees surgery.</p>

And you judge a player by his rookie season, it's not fair at all.</p>

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He was in bad shape when healthy, any injury should give doubts about his shape.</p>

If we don't judge him by what we've seen of him, what should we judge him by? If he had a good rookie season and everyone was singing his praises, would you come in here and say 'That's not fair to judge him by, he's not that good'?</p>

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</p>

You can judge by what you have seen, but you can notjudge a player and set your allimpression by his rookie season only.</p>

If you believe the rookie season is equal to his all career, then Antoine Wright should be a bust, and not start for the Nets in many games.</p>

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Point out where anyone said he was a bust and his whole career should be judged on his rookie season.</p>

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[J.S]

^ Eddie Gill isn't that bad.

 

[jarkid]

[quote name='ghoti']</p>

[quote name='jarkid']</p>

[quote name='Kid Chocolate']</p>

[quote name='jarkid']</p>

Because it's just afoot surgery, not knees surgery.</p>

And you judge a player by his rookie season, it's not fair at all.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

He was in bad shape when healthy, any injury should give doubts about his shape.</p>

If we don't judge him by what we've seen of him, what should we judge him by? If he had a good rookie season and everyone was singing his praises, would you come in here and say 'That's not fair to judge him by, he's not that good'?</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

You can judge by what you have seen, but you can notjudge a player and set your allimpression by his rookie season only.</p>

If you believe the rookie season is equal to his all career, then Antoine Wright should be a bust, and not start for the Nets in many games.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

Point out where anyone said he was a bust and his whole career should be judged on his rookie season.</p>

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[/QUOTE]</p>

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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ghoti:</div>
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He should just stay out, because he's everyone's favorite player as long as he's not on the court.</p>

My guess is that he will have flashes of brilliance in between all the horrible decision-making and non-existant defense.</p>

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tell me which season did you watch for Marcus, so you express those words above?</p>

 

[J.S]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'>

I am not feeling good about this at all. I think it's January before he even steps on the court.</p></div>

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I might have to agree, we don't want to compound his injury. But he's in good hands. He should be in good shape by the last leg of the season I hope.

 

[ghoti]

[quote name='jarkid']</p>

[quote name='ghoti']</p>

[quote name='jarkid']</p>

[quote name='Kid Chocolate']</p>

[quote name='jarkid']</p>

Because it's just afoot surgery, not knees surgery.</p>

And you judge a player by his rookie season, it's not fair at all.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

He was in bad shape when healthy, any injury should give doubts about his shape.</p>

If we don't judge him by what we've seen of him, what should we judge him by? If he had a good rookie season and everyone was singing his praises, would you come in here and say 'That's not fair to judge him by, he's not that good'?</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

You can judge by what you have seen, but you can notjudge a player and set your allimpression by his rookie season only.</p>

If you believe the rookie season is equal to his all career, then Antoine Wright should be a bust, and not start for the Nets in many games.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

Point out where anyone said he was a bust and his whole career should be judged on his rookie season.</p>

</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ghoti:</div>
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</p>

He should just stay out, because he's everyone's favorite player as long as he's not on the court.</p>

My guess is that he will have flashes of brilliance in between all the horrible decision-making and non-existant defense.</p>

</p>

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</p>

tell me which season did you watch for Marcus, so you express those words above?</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p>

You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p>

If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p>

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[GMJ]

I would expect Marcus to be Krstic-like when he comes back. He just needs to make sure he's ready before rushing back into the game. Sitting out won't improve your defense, or your ability to read the game and make decisions at game-speed. His shot will also probably be off for a bit, but as long as he can run through the offense, and still drive to the basket, I think he'll be effective.</p>

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[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

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That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p>

You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p>

If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p>

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If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p>

you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p>

But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p>

when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p>

 

[J.S]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

</p>

That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p>

You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p>

If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p>

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</p>

If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p>

you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p>

But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p>

when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p></div>

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Yes he put time into his offseason, and yes he has a year under his belt, but Ghoti is sayining that it dosen't change the kind of player you are.</p> We're not saying that he's a bad player, but he isn't a defensive-minded player. Marcus is offense-minded. He is very talented, we all agree, but he needs to assume responsibilty on the defensive end to be a consistant player. I hope I'm not butting in here.

 

[jarkid]

So can we just be quiet and watch the games?</p>

You can't affect a player by your words on the internet.</p>

 

[lukewarmplay]

He didn't play any defense in the summer league either, as I recall.</p>

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

</p>

That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p>

You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p>

If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p>

</p>

</div></p>

</p>

If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p>

you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p>

But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p>

when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p>

</div></p>

Every story in the offseason is about how hard the players are working. That's just media fluff. It doesn't mean a thing.</p>

I thought Marcus played his best at the beginning of the year, and got progressively worse as the season went along - culminating with the playoffs when he was just about unplayable.</p>

Of course I hope he learned something and will make some strides in his second season, but to predict he's going to be great just because you wish it to be true isn't realistic.</p>

My prediction is that he will do amazing things at times, and the rest of the time he will be maddeningly inconsistant and generally bad.</p>

The best case scenario is that by playoff time (if the Nets make it) he will be able to contribute with his great playmaking skill and his weaknesses can be compensated for by his teammates.</p>

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[Kidd Karma]

He'll be fine, he has a year under his belt, fewer off court distractions.....typical of all rookies. He will be able to fill in for the 15 Frank needs in place of Kidd.</p>

 

[jarkid]

I didn't say he will be "Great", I say he will be a stud off the bench.</p>