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<span class="text">"Sean Williams is a beast. If you haven&rsquo;t seen him play yet, try and catch him, and not just for fantasy-junkie purposes. The best part is that, as Marv Albert and Mark Jackson were discussing in last night&rsquo;s broadcast against the Lakers, he&rsquo;s really only about 6&Prime;8."</span></p>

http://slamonline.com/online/2007/11/league-pass-thoughts-2/</p>

Thoughts anyone? He does seem kinda smaller then 6'10, though I wouldn't really know considering I'm watching my games on a window that's about 3 inches wide. Shaq looks like a fat midget.</p>
 
That sounds pretty dead on based on how he looks standing next to other players. There are times when he's running though he looks 7 feet tall but most of that is just how long he is.</p>
 
Yesterday, I watched the game, he is as tall as Odom. And Odom is 6-10.</p>

I think Sean doesn't have a wide shoulder so you think he is too small.</p>
 
I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p>
 
i'd say 6' 9", its obvious he isn't 6' 10" but i think 6' 8" is just too short when you compare him to other players.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p>

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I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p>

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I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p>

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That's why I chose those two players. I am pretty sure those heights are accurate.</p>

If he's closer to Collins' height, I'll go with 6'10". If he looks equal to Boki, 6'9".</p>

Either way, I think Wiliams has enough height to be a legitimate inside player in the NBA. His arms are truly freakish.</p>

He's still very young, too. When his body fills out, he will be extremely strong. He's already stronger than he looks.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p>

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I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p>

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That's why I chose those two players. I am pretty sure those heights are accurate.</p>

If he's closer to Collins' height, I'll go with 6'10". If he looks equal to Boki, 6'9".</p>

Either way, I think Wiliams has enough height to be a legitimate inside player in the NBA. His arms are truly freakish.</p>

He's still very young, too. When his body fills out, he will be extremely strong. He's already stronger than he looks.</p>

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However, the shoes can make a difference of up to 1/2 or even 3/4 inches. Remember, pre-draftevery yearthe top prospectsare measured both with and without shoes, and the discrepency varies greatly from player to player.</p>

as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

However, the shoes can make a difference of up to 1/2 or even 3/4 inches. Remember, pre-draftevery yearthe top prospectsare measured both with and without shoes, and the discrepency varies greatly from player to player.</p>

as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p>

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If management hasn't learned a lesson from RJ's weight gains and it's effects on his athleticism/game then they should be smacked in the head. Nenad and Mile are two other examples too to a degree where the weight they put on affected them and hurt their moveability and recovery from injuries as well. Every rook needs to put on some muscle, but ghoti hit it right on the head, he's stronger than he looks as seen in some of his boxouts on Bynum last game. Sean can lose a tiny bit of his out of the box athletisim for muscle and still be heads and tails above 99% of the NBA's bigmen but I agree whole heartedly that if he goes nuts (a la Greg Oden) it will hinder him more than help. If he naturally and slowly builds up his strength throughout the course of his career he'll be a monster like a Dwight Howard and Josh Smith where the muscle they have put on hasn't taken anything away from their strengths or athleticism.</p>

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[quote name='Dumpy']</p>

[quote name='ghoti']</p>

[quote name='Dumpy']</p>

[quote name='ghoti']</p>

I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

I think you're confusing explosiveness with agility. Usually when you put on muscle that's what you lose. I have a friend who is 5'11 and weighs around 225. His benchpress is somewhere around 350 so he's a bulky guy. But he has a 36 inch vertical, can almost dunk. The lateral quickness though, is a little suspect. That's the problem. But here's a guy whose natural weight is at most around 180. Sean would have to go up to over 280 pounds to put on a prortionately equal amount of muscle. I don't know if 10 or 15 is going to make much of a difference.</p>

For a gaurd or small forward, yeah, it would. You would have trouble keeping up with guys on the perimiter and beating them off the dribble. But as a big man ateral quickness isn't as important since most PF/C in this league A) don't have great ball skills,
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are comparatively slow. Ben Wallace was ripped but that didn't seem to hurt him much.</p>

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[quote name='rollydog']</p>

[quote name='Dumpy']</p>

[quote name='ghoti']</p>

[quote name='Dumpy']</p>

[quote name='ghoti']</p>

I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

I think you're confusing explosiveness with agility. Usually when you put on muscle that's what you lose. I have a friend who is 5'11 and weighs around 225. His benchpress is somewhere around 350 so he's a bulky guy. But he has a 36 inch vertical, can almost dunk. The lateral quickness though, is a little suspect. That's the problem. But here's a guy whose natural weight is at most around 180. Sean would have to go up to over 280 pounds to put on a prortionately equal amount of muscle. I don't know if 10 or 15 is going to make much of a difference.</p>

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In my opinion, there is probably a difference between a pure vertical leap--that is, from a standing position--and jumping off on foot while on the run. With the second, the key is that your muscles and tendons have to absorb the additional stress due to landing before you can push off. I hope that makes sense. For someone like Shaq, whose dunks are mostly from standing under the basket and just jumping into the air, I agree that there would be little difference. When Sean runs, he has a loping stride where he bounces up into the air and back down again, and I think he'd lose some of that bounce. Strap a SCUBA belt on your waist with about 15 pounds of weight, run around a bit,and see if you disagree. I recommend wrapping your hips with some pretty serious padding, though.</p>
 
[quote name='Dumpy']</p>

[quote name='ghoti']</p>

[quote name='Dumpy']</p>

[quote name='ghoti']</p>

I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

That's why I chose those two players. I am pretty sure those heights are accurate.</p>

If he's closer to Collins' height, I'll go with 6'10". If he looks equal to Boki, 6'9".</p>

Either way, I think Wiliams has enough height to be a legitimate inside player in the NBA. His arms are truly freakish.</p>

He's still very young, too. When his body fills out, he will be extremely strong. He's already stronger than he looks.</p>

</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

However, the shoes can make a difference of up to 1/2 or even 3/4 inches. Remember, pre-draftevery yearthe top prospectsare measured both with and without shoes, and the discrepency varies greatly from player to player.</p>

as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

I agree. I think his frame is better suited to being lean.</p>

As he gets older, he'll naturally start to fill out and get bigger. There's no need to rush it or do anything to slow him down.</p>

His body is one of the best things about him. It was made to play basketball.</p>

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My only point is that when you add muscle, you are in effect adding explosiveness. It's like putting a hundred pound weight in a car and then turbochargin the engine. The only thing that's going to change is maneuverability.</p>

I agree it would be one thing if he just worked on his upper body, but nobody does that these days.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I agree. I think his frame is better suited to being lean.</p>

As he gets older, he'll naturally start to fill out and get bigger. There's no need to rush it or do anything to slow him down.</p>

His body is one of the best things about him. It was made to play basketball.</p>

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Sean's problem is that since he's a relatively unskilled post player, he's going to be called on to gaurd big guys, often the opposing teams centers, because Frank will want to use him with a finesse player like Nachbar. If you've ever played bball you know what it's like to gaurd a post player who is stronger and bigger than you. Fronting the post is not a permenanet solution. If I were Jackson I would have ordered them to give the ball to Bynum every possession. Maybe Williams gets his hand on a pass or two or the ball sails over Bynums hands, but the rest of the time it's going to be an easy dunk or a foul on Sean.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

7'8</p>

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please refer to my avatar.</p>

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He is much taller than KG.. LOL</p>
 
He is only 21, I hope he can keepgrowing upin his stature.</p>

When he is 23, he is 6-11 without shoes, and 300 pounds, while averaging 18 pts 12 rebounds and 4 blks.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rollydog)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I agree. I think his frame is better suited to being lean.</p>

As he gets older, he'll naturally start to fill out and get bigger. There's no need to rush it or do anything to slow him down.</p>

His body is one of the best things about him. It was made to play basketball.</p>

</div></p>

Sean's problem is that since he's a relatively unskilled post player, he's going to be called on to gaurd big guys, often the opposing teams centers, because Frank will want to use him with a finesse player like Nachbar. If you've ever played bball you know what it's like to gaurd a post player who is stronger and bigger than you. Fronting the post is not a permenanet solution. If I were Jackson I would have ordered them to give the ball to Bynum every possession. Maybe Williams gets his hand on a pass or two or the ball sails over Bynums hands, but the rest of the time it's going to be an easy dunk or a foul on Sean.</p>

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Sean is the fastest (maybe faster?) Net since Kerry Kittles. I wouldn't add too much weight on those acrobatics of his, remember his landings are more important than his takeoffs.
 
It doesn't matter. If he was 4'2 I would still put him in at Center he can jump out the building</p>
 
Why are we hung up over weight? Two words... Chris Bosh.</p>

He is still pretty lean to look at and it never really hurts his game. According to NBA.com, Sean is actually 5 pounds heavier...</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Why are we hung up over weight? Two words... Chris Bosh.</p>

He is still pretty lean to look at and it never really hurts his game. According to NBA.com, Sean is actually 5 pounds heavier...</p>

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Chris Bosh can't be moved to center though for a long period of time. I know he switches to it once in awhile but that's how come he missed so many games his rookie year because he was banged around for 3 days then would have to take a break.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p>

</div></p>

</p>

I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p>

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Metric measurements are indeed more precise. Boki is listed at 2.07 meters by FIBA. That works out to 6 feet, 9.47 inches. So Boki is 6' 9 1/2" tall, or a half inch shorter than his doppleganger (that's German), Keith Van Horn.</p>

Since Sean Williams opted out of the NBA Pre-Draft camp in Orlando, he was never measured officially by the NBA...and college heights, on which a lot of NBA heights are based, are notoriously inflated. BC listed him at 6' 10" and so do the Nets. I suspect we are talking about 6' 9"ish. RJ has said he's an inch taller than him but RJ may have exaggerated since he was trying to make a point about his leaping ability. Wingspan, again not verified at Pre-Draft camp, has been listed at 7' 5", or the same as Durant and Oden's...but those two were measured at Pre-Draft camp.</p>

This has made me tired.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Why are we hung up over weight? Two words... Chris Bosh.</p>

He is still pretty lean to look at and it never really hurts his game. According to NBA.com, Sean is actually 5 pounds heavier...</p>

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Kevin Garnett is skinnier than Bosh and he has been that way since he came into the league.</p>

He's done OK.</p>

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Garnett is also bigger and longer then Bosh, who is in turn bigger and longer than Williams. I'm not saying Sean should put on 30 pounds, but Amare is 145 and that doesn't seem to have hurt his athletic ability or quickness much. Sean was getting mauled by Pau last night.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rollydog)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Garnett is also bigger and longer then Bosh, who is in turn bigger and longer than Williams. I'm not saying Sean should put on 30 pounds, but Amare is 145 and that doesn't seem to have hurt his athletic ability or quickness much. Sean was getting mauled by Pau last night.</p>

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Holy Canoly! Someone give that boy a twinkie!</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Metric measurements are indeed more precise.</p>

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More precise or more accurate?</p>

Centimeters aren't more precise than inches</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rollydog)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Garnett is also bigger and longer then Bosh, who is in turn bigger and longer than Williams. I'm not saying Sean should put on 30 pounds, but Amare is 145 and that doesn't seem to have hurt his athletic ability or quickness much. Sean was getting mauled by Pau last night.</p>

</div>Seriously dog, microfracture. Sean is like a stealth bomber, and you wanna put neon ground FX on it. Sean has muscletone like Spiderman and you want the Venom suit. Almost all of his shortcommings this year won't have anything to do with his weight; rather his "Rookness". Maybe west coast fatigue? Anyway, I'll just have agree to disagree with you.

I think to get into this much more, you have to understand muscles. Sean has very low bodyfat, and this means that his muscle fibre has formed layers (over years)with miniscule fat deposits. Lean muscle tends to have "wirey" type strength and responds quickly to nerve impulses. Sean's high quality muscle fibre is dense, giving him more strength (muscle contraction across and beyond the specific point of stress) than others near his size, his build is also efficient and best suited for his frame. Sean just needs to "grow into" his body rather than "get a body".</p>

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