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so when the holocaust happens, and God didn't intervene, he just didn't care? Or was that God's plan?

God likes to take things meant for evil and make turn them into good. I believe God's grace extends greatly because of his love, which you can see in life of Christ. He could have easily come as a king to be worshiped and told everyone they were sinners and condemned them and would be perfectly justified to do so, but instead he came came as a servant of no reputation and took our iniquities upon himself. He suffered with us and for us in order to redeem us and bring us back to himself :) I believe all the starving children in Africa will be saved by Jesus and I have seen God do amazing things across the whole world. Christianity is growing explosively in Africa and Asia, particularly China which will soon become the largest Christian population in the world (mostly due to population). It's roughly estimated that there are almost 70,000 new Christians every single day.

This is one of my favorite chapters from the Bible, a prophecy of Jesus Christ written about 700 BC:

He Was Pierced for Our Transgressions

13 Behold, my servant shall act wisely;
he shall be high and lifted up,
and shall be exalted.
14 As many were astonished at you—
his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance,
and his form beyond that of the children of mankind—
15 so shall he sprinkle many nations;
kings shall shut their mouths because of him;
for that which has not been told them they see,
and that which they have not heard they understand.
Isaiah 53 Who has believed what he has heard from us?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men;
a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;
and as one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
and as for his generation, who considered
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
9 And they made his grave with the wicked
and with a rich man in his death,
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
he has put him to grief;
when his soul makes an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
because he poured out his soul to death
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors.
 
God likes to take things meant for evil and make turn them into good. I believe God's grace extends greatly because of his love, which you can see in life of Christ. He could have easily come as a king to be worshiped and told everyone they were sinners and condemned them and would be perfectly justified to do so, but instead he came came as a servant of no reputation and took our iniquities upon himself. He suffered with us and for us in order to redeem us and bring us back to himself :) I believe all the starving children in Africa will be saved by Jesus and I have seen God do amazing things across the whole world. Christianity is growing explosively in Africa and Asia, particularly China which will soon become the largest Christian population in the world (mostly due to population). It's roughly estimated that there are almost 70,000 new Christians every single day.

This is one of my favorite chapters from the Bible, a prophecy of Jesus Christ written about 700 BC:

Thank you for the thoughtful response. Does this mean you walk around with your eyes closed?
 
Thank you for the thoughtful response. Does this mean you walk around with your eyes closed?

No, because I don't use God's grace as an excuse to test him with the free will he has given me. I have been through the darkness and when you see the light you never want to go back.
 
The Atheism vs. God debate is so old, mainly because it's focus is besides the point.

The fact is, whether you are ignorant to it or not, their is indeed a Fifth Dimension, an undefined by science force acting on the physical world. Arguing over what to call it, and trashing people for their beliefs of what it is/where it comes from, instead of actually searching to understand it and how it works is a feeble thing to do no matter what side of the coin you fall on.

I'm ignorant of the fifth dimension. Please explain. Also, what is the fourth dimension?
 
I know you aren't, I was just wondering why you believe that, cause I don't remember hearing a Christian come out and say that before.

I look at God like I would as a legit fortune teller. One that can see your future, but doesn't choose to control you.

I look at him as my father. My blood father knew I would fuck up, but chosen to have me because he wanted someone to love him. I see God as the same. Even though he knows what we are going to do; he doesn't intervene because he gave us our own free will.

If God gives you free will, he cannot intervene. That is a total contradiction.
 
I look at God like I would as a legit fortune teller. One that can see your future, but doesn't choose to control you.

I look at him as my father. My blood father knew I would fuck up, but chosen to have me because he wanted someone to love him. I see God as the same. Even though he knows what we are going to do; he doesn't intervene because he gave us our own free will.

If God gives you free will, he cannot intervene. That is a total contradiction.

Welp, that makes a lot more sense than the usual response I get from Christians when this type of thing is discussed.

"God works in mysterious ways"
 
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And this is why I disagree with intervention. The hurricanes, etc are natural acts that aren't part of God choosing to do so. They are things that must take place. Unfortunately some people are in the middle of them. Sucks, but then again he isn't like man that goes around killing insects minding their own business in our space.
 
That was great work guys. It's all solved now, end of thread, and as Edward R. Murrow would say, good night and good luck.
 
And this is why I disagree with intervention. The hurricanes, etc are natural acts that aren't part of God choosing to do so. They are things that must take place. Unfortunately some people are in the middle of them. Sucks, but then again he isn't like man that goes around killing insects minding their own business in our space.

What about the Great Flood? God intervened there. He even intervened to let Noah know in advance so he could save himself and the animals.
 
What about the Great Flood? God intervened there. He even intervened to let Noah know in advance so he could save himself and the animals.

Yeah sometimes you need to reboot! :)

When the free will was to do nothing but pure evil, is wipe then out too
 

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