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Socialism is fine if Republicans do it. Because they aren't socialists.

barfo
 
Lanny said:
The U.S. Department of Agriculture announced this week that it will be releasing the first tranche of $12 billion in aid to farmers who have been harshly affected by tariffs from the trade war.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amer...r-off-without-trumps-trade-war-194251558.html
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The Gov has been in the business of subsidizing farmers from The New Deal on, while this is intended to be in effect as a temporary measure until trade balances, it is something to keep an eye on so that it does not become another pork barrel protected vote generator.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
The Gov has been in the business of subsidizing farmers from The New Deal on, while this is intended to be in effect as a temporary measure until trade balances, it is something to keep an eye on so that it does not become another pork barrel protected vote generator.
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So, it's only okay if Republicans do it? And when I say Republicans I mean Trump Republicans.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
The Gov has been in the business of subsidizing farmers from The New Deal on, while this is intended to be in effect as a temporary measure until trade balances, it is something to keep an eye on so that it does not become another pork barrel protected vote generator.
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So pork barrel vote generators are ok if they are temporary?

barfo
 
Why are some people bound and determined to suggest that any form of redistribution whatsoever is full blown socialism? Not the case.
 
Lanny said:
So, it's only okay if Republicans do it? And when I say Republicans I mean Trump Republicans.
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barfo said:
So pork barrel vote generators are ok if they are temporary?

barfo
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Frankly, I am not a fan. If it is a temporary measure that keeps the economy stable, it may well be what is required. Just like when FDR started doing it, there was a purpose. Last thing I want to see is a long lasting subsidy like we have on milk and cheese etc.
 
barfo said:
Socialism is fine if Republicans do it. Because they aren't socialists and therefore the action is probably temporary.

barfo
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It reads a little better when you finish the sentence.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
The Gov has been in the business of subsidizing farmers from The New Deal on, while this is intended to be in effect as a temporary measure until trade balances, it is something to keep an eye on so that it does not become another pork barrel protected vote generator.
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So you're ok with socialism then? Because that's what it is...
 
jonnyboy said:
Why are some people bound and determined to suggest that any form of redistribution whatsoever is full blown socialism? Not the case.
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Dude, that's not US making that argument. That's y'all conservatives!

Conservatives always complain about ANYTHING being socialist. Please stop. You guys can't just change mid stream because it suits you. It's bull.

Conservatives fight tooth and nail with bullshit slippery slope arguments about socialism all the time.

Obamacare = Socialism

Remember????

Obamacare is probably one of the most capitalistic programs of all time but EVERYWHERE you conservatives were on that bullshit. Calling it a government takeover.

Stop being hypocrites!
 
dviss1 said:
So you're ok with socialism then? Because that's what it is...
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You made this esy, although, it seems odd to quote myself.

DaLincolnJones said:
Frankly, I am not a fan. If it is a temporary measure that keeps the economy stable, it may well be what is required. Just like when FDR started doing it, there was a purpose. Last thing I want to see is a long lasting subsidy like we have on milk and cheese etc.
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Anyone who cooperates with anyone else is going straight to Hell.

For example, message boards. Traditional values say that each individual should holler separately to each other one. But now, we're forcibly grouped together in a union of communication. God is watching you and you are doomed. If he's napping, the FBI is still awake.
 
dviss1 said:
Dude, that's not US making that argument. That's y'all conservatives!

Conservatives always complain about ANYTHING being socialist. Please stop. You guys can't just change mid stream because it suits you. It's bull.

Conservatives fight tooth and nail with bullshit slippery slope arguments about socialism all the time.

Obamacare = Socialism

Remember????

Obamacare is probably one of the most capitalistic programs of all time but EVERYWHERE you conservatives were on that bullshit. Calling it a government takeover.

Stop being hypocrites!
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I remember when it was argued that Medicare was going to lead to socialism and the downfall of this country. Republicans hated Medicare with a passion. Now, even the threat of getting rid of Obama Care is going to be Trump's downfall and Medicare may be one of the most popular pieces of legislation of all time.
 
jonnyboy said:
Why are some people bound and determined to suggest that any form of redistribution whatsoever is full blown socialism? Not the case.
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^^^subsidizing/redistribution when it's really needed is one thing but when it's implemented when it's not really necessary is something else.

...we have a lot of "farmers" down here who are well known to be "windshield farmers", which is to say that they mainly do their farming by monitoring it through the windshield of the brand new pick up truck. They plant to purposely fail. They throw some seed in the ground, file for crop insurance, and when the crop does indeed fail, they simply file a claim and get a nice fay check from our government...they're completely unashamed "welfare farmers"...all because of flawed government programs/practices.

...don't get me wrong, I know sometimes government help really helps but if a "farmer" goes 6-8 years in a row filing for crop insurance, he's either unbelievably unlucky, or too stupid to be a farmer, or he's merely abusing government help.
 
yankeesince59 said:
^^^subsidizing/redistribution when it's really needed is one thing but when it's implemented when it's not really necessary is something else.

...we have a lot of "farmers" down here who are well known to be "windshield farmers", which is to say that they mainly do their farming by monitoring it through the windshield of the brand new pick up truck. They plant to purposely fail. They throw some seed in the ground, file for crop insurance, and when the crop does indeed fail, they simply file a claim and get a nice fay check from our government...they're completely unashamed "welfare farmers"...all because of flawed government programs/practices.

...don't get me wrong, I know sometimes government help really helps but if a "farmer" goes 6-8 years in a row filing for crop insurance, he's either unbelievably unlucky, or too stupid to be a farmer, or he's merely abusing government help.
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I would have to agree. If you can't grow a crop in 6 attempts, it's time to find a new line of work, or a new crop, or a new way to utilize your land. I had no idea that was an issue, guys up here work there asses off and generally wield good results. There wasn't any help that I know of when we lost our family ranch 10 years ago (unrelated to crops, my dad had no help running it and i was too young and in portland with my mom). He said there had been various government assistance programs throughout the years that were never much help. He recalled getting a check for $16 one year, that was about the extent of it.
 
What does "socialism" even mean. It's a term that is thrown about a lot, but do the people discussing it even share the same definition? I think using terms like this can confuse the conversation. If we were to discard all lables, and just think of everything as a problem that we need to solve for the benefit of society, politics would be so much less muddied. I think some things make sense to pay for with public tax dollars and others things do not.
 
barfo said:
In breaking "socialism" news:

Trump: "They want to raid Medicare to pay for socialism."

Dumbass.

barfo
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Whoops, what he meant was they have to raid Medicare to pay for the recent tax cut. Now, this is entirely fair. the middle and lower tax payers have been getting away with murder so it's time for them to pony up and pay back the neglected wealthy.

I think we too often neglect the wealthy. They have needs too, you know.
 
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