If not us, who?

[BrianFromWA]

A Pakistani Pashtun 14 y/o girl has been standing up to the Taliban for years, winning her country's peace prize and worldwide notoriety based on her work with BBC. Yesterday, they caught up with her.

In early 2011, the militants had added Malala to their hit list.

"We wanted to kill her as she was pro-West, she was speaking against Taliban and more important she was calling President Obama as her ideal. She was young but was promoting a Western culture in the Pakhtun populated areas," Ihsanullah Ihsan, the spokesman of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan or TTP said Tuesday.

The Taliban had made a plan for killing her a year ago but were waiting for an opportunity, he told NBC News.

How can someone put a hit on a girl in the name of Islam?

Abbas tried to explain why the Taliban had reacted so strongly.

"When it's coming from a child, it's innocent, it's honest, it's open, and I think that's what was so threatening," she said of the blog.

"I think that code of honor that used to exist where women and children, they weren't attacked, they were honored in a way never touched. I think that no longer exists, I think that is what it shows," she added.

Meanwhile, Americans are marching across the "safe" areas of Pakistan to protest our use of drones in killing people like Mr. Ishan.

:smh:

 

[Eastoff]

It is a sad thing. Any murder in the name of a god is horrible thing.

 

[Denny Crane]

If not us, who?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The title of your thread is could have been for one when Sadam Husein was murdering 300,000 citizens in Iraq. We invaded. But the Taliban are a fanatical group spread across more than half the earth.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

all of the people over there who are sick of the taliban doing things like this should rise up and destroy them, pretty simple really

 

[DaLincolnJones]

all of the people over there who are sick of the taliban doing things like this should rise up and destroy them, pretty simple really

if it were only that simple.

you would have to rise up and destroy an amalgamation of religion and thousands of years of war. very hard to defeat an idea.

also, in the past twelve years that we have been in that area (mid east) at war, they have raised another generation of fighters, 10 and 12 year olds that have been and will die for their religious beliefs.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

if it were only that simple.

you would have to rise up and destroy an amalgamation of religion and thousands of years of war. very hard to defeat an idea.

also, in the past twelve years that we have been in that area (mid east) at war, they have raised another generation of fighters, 10 and 12 year olds that have been and will die for their religious beliefs.

it is that simple

if the people there are fine with this kind of thing, thats on them

 

[DaLincolnJones]

it is that simple

if the people there are fine with this kind of thing, thats on them

so do what?

dunno if you heard, but we are at war with the taliban, and when you or barry deny that fact, they still believe that they are at war with us to the death...

 

[3RA1N1AC]

so do what?

rise up and destroy the taliban

 

[MARIS61]

Them?

 

[MARIS61]

Simply put, as a taxpayer I am fine with paying BrianFromWA to defend AMERICA from attacks, invasions (including non-violent ones) and embargos meant to harm AMERICA.

Other countries pay their military to do the same.

It's not, or shouldn't be, in BrianFromWA's job description to do the job assigned to other countries' military.

 

[dviss1]

rise up and destroy the taliban

We wouldn't have to if Reagan didn't arm them...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/reagan-iran/

"In 1985, while Iran and Iraq were at war, Iran made a secret request to buy weapons from the United States. McFarlane sought Reagan's approval, in spite of the embargo against selling arms to Iran. McFarlane explained that the sale of arms would not only improve U.S. relations with Iran, but might in turn lead to improved relations with Lebanon, increasing U.S. influence in the troubled Middle East. Reagan was driven by a different obsession. He had become frustrated at his inability to secure the release of the seven American hostages being held by Iranian terrorists in Lebanon. As president, Reagan felt that "he had the duty to bring those Americans home," and he convinced himself that he was not negotiating with terrorists. While shipping arms to Iran violated the embargo, dealing with terrorists violated Reagan's campaign promise never to do so."

 

[dviss1]

Maybe stories like this one ^^^ is the reason why Republicans have a hard on to cut that PBS funding...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Maybe stories like this one ^^^ is the reason why Republicans have a hard on to cut that PBS funding...

Arming and funding Islamic radicals to fight the Russians in Afghanistan was the right thing to do.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Arming and funding Islamic radicals to fight the Russians in Afghanistan was the right thing to do.

Yeah, what he said...

 

[dviss1]

Arming and funding Islamic radicals to fight the Russians in Afghanistan was the right thing to do.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but What Reagan did was Treason IMO.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

We wouldn't have to if Reagan didn't arm them...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/reagan-iran/

"In 1985, while Iran and Iraq were at war, Iran made a secret request to buy weapons from the United States. McFarlane sought Reagan's approval, in spite of the embargo against selling arms to Iran. McFarlane explained that the sale of arms would not only improve U.S. relations with Iran, but might in turn lead to improved relations with Lebanon, increasing U.S. influence in the troubled Middle East. Reagan was driven by a different obsession. He had become frustrated at his inability to secure the release of the seven American hostages being held by Iranian terrorists in Lebanon. As president, Reagan felt that "he had the duty to bring those Americans home," and he convinced himself that he was not negotiating with terrorists. While shipping arms to Iran violated the embargo, dealing with terrorists violated Reagan's campaign promise never to do so."

taliban wasnt around in 85

and as far as nefarious secret dealings in the middle east, you really dont need to go back 30 years to find juicy tidbits

 

[MARIS61]

Arming and funding Islamic radicals to fight the Russians in Afghanistan was the right thing to do.

No, it wasn't right. Nor was it legal.

 

[MARIS61]

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but What Reagan did was Treason IMO.

This.

As was his aiding and abetting the hostage-takers in Tehran during his election campaign in order to sabotage Carter's re-election.

As was his flooding American streets with crack cocaine to support terrorists via the Iran-Contra "affair".

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but What Reagan did was Treason IMO.

No, it wasn't right. Nor was it legal.

It directly led to the fall of the Iron Curtain. It may not have been legal but it led to the end of the cold war.

USA! USA! USA!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

the enemy of my enemy or some such nonsense

 

[dviss1]

taliban wasnt around in 85

and as far as nefarious secret dealings in the middle east, you really dont need to go back 30 years to find juicy tidbits

Here he is meeting with Taliban Leaders (Reagan helped create the Taliban) when he called them:

"These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America's founding fathers."

 

[dviss1]

It directly led to the fall of the Iron Curtain. It may not have been legal but it led to the end of the cold war.

USA! USA! USA!

I guess we'll agree to disagree on that one. The "Cold War" was Ronnie Raygun's way of enriching the Military Industrial Complex.

 

[MARIS61]

It directly led to the fall of the Iron Curtain. It may not have been legal but it led to the end of the cold war.

USA! USA! USA!

It lead to the ethnic cleansing of most of eastern Europe.

 

[dviss1]

This.

As was his aiding and abetting the hostage-takers in Tehran during his election campaign in order to sabotage Carter's re-election.

As was his flooding American streets with crack cocaine to support terrorists via the Iran-Contra "affair".

^^ Truth

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I guess we'll agree to disagree on that one. The "Cold War" was Ronnie Raygun's way of enriching the Military Industrial Complex.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing. If we all agreed about everything these forums would be pretty damn boring.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It lead to the ethnic cleansing of most of eastern Europe.

So we should have propped up the crumbling Soviet empire?

 

[dviss1]

[video]

 

[dviss1]

So we should have propped up the crumbling Soviet empire?

We should have stayed out of it. But Reagan had an election to "win". Jimmy Carter was railroaded out of office.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

[video]

From your own link -

During most of the 1980’s, the CIA secretly sent billions of dollars of military aid to Afghanistan to support the mujahedeen–or holy warriors–against the Soviet Union, which had invaded in 1979.


The U.S.-supported jihad succeeded in driving out the Soviets...

No one could have foreseen that by helping liberate Afghanistan would directly lead to 9/11.