If the police knock down your door

[Sug]

and you are not sure WTF is going on, don't brandish a melee weapon 15 feet away from them. Maybe they thought he had a ball on a tee and was ready to fire first.

All for a small amount of drugs, we really need to re-think our war on drugs.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/police-state-watch.html

Story from SL Trib
http://www.standard.net/topics/drug...wsuit-prevent-repeat-drug-raid-shooting-death

 

[Haakzilla]

...UGH, this is despicable, needless to say!

 

[Natebishop3]

They are required to identify themselves upon entry.... if they did not, they should be held accountable for their actions. If they did, however, he has no excuse.

 

[Haakzilla]

...identifying themselves or not, they shot the guy 3 times within a split second of even seeing him. Police boy on the trigger was amped up and ready to fire regardless, did you even watch the video? There is absolutely no justification for killing this man...NONE that I could see! One of my best friends is on the Oregon SWAT team and he has told me numerous stories that hail in comparison...yet NOBODY DIED!

 

[Colonel Ronan]

What an awful week for shit like this.

 

[Sug]

They are required to identify themselves upon entry.... if they did not, they should be held accountable for their actions. If they did, however, he has no excuse.

He has no excuse? Dude is dead. Just before 10PM he was in his house, all the sudden he hears some yelling at his front door followed by the thing getting essentially kicked in. He is standing there watching this happen. If you are telling me Nate that you would be able to fight every instinct in the human body to fight or flee, in this case at least defend yourself I think that is bullcrap. Officers are trained to expect some form of resistance as they enter a home based on normal reaction to the shock of the situation. They are trained to deal with these situations with words, and follow them up with physical non-lethal tactics in situations just like the one above. Even if that guy had charged them, which he didn't, they are still trained not to shoot. In this case they entered the house at 26 seconds, and the first shot is at 29 seconds. By 30 seconds the next two shots are already in him. At 34 they walked by his body, which is less than ten seconds. It was a failure of duty.

 

[MARIS61]

Looks like a deliberate assassination.

LOL at "brandishing" a weapon, he is shot while cowering and backing against a wall in terror.

Yelling "POLICE" is what most home invaders do when breaking in, and anyone coming through my door uninvited would die immediately regardless of anything they yelled.

 

[speeds]

don't brandish a melee weapon 15 feet away from them.

Somebody played D&D.

 

[hasoos]

The war on drugs is bullshit pure and simple. But its ok to keep going in debt more and more every year to keep funding it, and to pay about $25,000 per year to incarcerate the people busted behind bars. Yay you were busted for selling 40 dollars of pot. Now we pay 25,000 dollars per year to keep you behind bars for selling a drug that makes people want to eat Doritos, Choclate Milk and hide in a dark room. Ooooh so dangerous.

 

[jlprk]

Illegality of drugs is a giant empire builder for the legal system. If drugs were legalized, half of the employees would be laid off.

No, check that. It would be like the CIA after the end of the Cold War. They'd just invent a new enemy, to keep everyone employed. The legal system would make a bunch of former freedoms into new crimes, or former trivial offenses into major ones.

 

[bluefrog]

The officers are yelling "police! Search Warrant" at the start of the video but it's hard to understand what they are saying.

If you watch around the 0:28 mark you see that the guy is shot before an office yells "Get on the ground." The guy falls from the first shot and the officer fires off 2 more quick rounds to finish him. It looks like the officer got away with murder or at least man slaughter

 

[jlprk]

Politicians fear their local police unions. The worst punishment usually given is a couple of weeks of suspension from his job. The media is never told whether the time is paid or unpaid.

 

[Haakzilla]

...I also have to wonder how many of these officers are veterans of the most recent Iraq/Afghanistan wars?! No offense against veterans here at all, but I know the combat training and combat situations over there are drastically different from this "no-knock home invasion"...yet the aftermath appears to be nearly identical. This was the work of a trained shooter with that killer instinct, literally!

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

obviously the lesson here is don't do drugs

or live in utah

or own a golf club

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I didn't have a problem with this. They loudly and clearly id'd themselves and he had a raised golf club. It was not all that bright in there and light reflecting off it mean it might have looked like a rifle. To be sure, it is a tragedy, but I don't fault the police.

 

[Ed O]

I don't understand why the man was holding the golf club. He was just walking around with it?

Ed O.

 

[Eastoff]

well if I wasn't depressed before...

 

[bluefrog]

I didn't have a problem with this. They loudly and clearly id'd themselves and he had a raised golf club. It was not all that bright in there and light reflecting off it mean it might have looked like a rifle. To be sure, it is a tragedy, but I don't fault the police.

You don't hold a rifle over you head if you're going to fire it.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

You don't hold a rifle over you head if you're going to fire it.

Unless I'm Dick Cheney. OK, OK, I had to say that. I just had to.

 

[bluefrog]

Unless I'm Dick Cheney. OK, OK, I had to say that. I just had to.

Well played

 

[jlprk]