I'm over the Travis Outlaw experiment

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Seriously.

Trade the guy and get a real small forward back.

One of the most athletic guys in the league, and all he does is dribble-step and shoot a fadeaway. Can't pass, can't drive, unbelievably not that good in the open court.

And now - with the rest of the talent we have on this team - his one talent becomes more and more irrelevant every day.

I'd hate to see the +/- stats from this game, but my guess is they wouldn't play very favorably for when Travis was in the game. Got absolutely shut down by a PATHETIC Golden State defense.

-Pop
 
Couldn't agree with you more pop.

Didn't we try to trade him for Battier before? Wish we could do that trade and add whatever picks they want.
 
He had a -13 in the game, but every Blazer had a negative except LaMarcus' +2.
Travis is really struggling to find his way in a team-oriented offense. I don't know... it's hard to tell, and it's only the second preseason game. But it's going to take some time with him, and shows he still has a lot to develop.

I can't believe Martell is out for eight weeks.. that really hurts right now.
 
Kotah said:
Ease up. Only one game - pre-season game at that.
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He was fine last year when he entered the game and we ran a 4-down set with him. But as alex42083 said, he struggles in a team game. And I can't see any point where we'd have him in with the first or second unit where it would be a good idea to iso Travis.

-Pop
 
Kotah said:
Ease up. Only one game - pre-season game at that.
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I think it's still obvious Outlaw doesn't contribute anything other than scoring most of the time. He just can't play within a team concept. Moving forward he won't fit with the team. Rudy is bumping him from his 6th man role.
 
Kotah said:
Ease up. Only one game - pre-season game at that.
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I don't want to speak for Sodapop, but I think it's not that it's one game, but that it's a pattern of his game skill-set. He's in what, his 5th season? At this point, you'd hope that someone who claims to want to be a starter would not disappear from games in the manner that he did.

Or at least, when your shot isn't dropping, don't become invisible and a negative on the court.
 
Kotah said:
Ease up. Only one game - pre-season game at that.
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This year. While Travis has had some great games, they are always offensive. Last year we didn't have much scoring ability on the second team and hence, Travis was needed to do that. He doesn't have a good all-around game that fits into a team.

As I've said before, he is a more athletic version of Zbo with the exception that Zbo also rebounded.

Were I the coach (which it is a good thing I'm not), I'd be playing Batum before Travis. Sure we'd get some mistakes but we'd also get a much better all-around game from him and someone who I think has considerably more potential as well as someone who better understands playing as a member of a team, not as the lead with everyone else relegated to being supporting cast.

Gramps...
 
I don't think KP will do it and right now it would be tough to make a trade for someone like Battier. I do think we need a SF a lot more then PG. I think Blake, Sergio, Rudy and Roy are good enough at PG but with Webster out maybe 2+ months and even when he comes back will take time to get back playing we need a SF. I'm just not sure Outlaw is a starter type player. He seems to play a lot better coming off the bench and being a spark plug type. I still would like to see against teams with a smaller lineup start Blake(or Sergio or Bayless), Roy and Rudy together with LMA and Oden especially until Webster comes back.
 
I see your points. But Outlaw is very effective coming off the bench as a spark. Least we forget he led this team in scoring in the 4th quarter last season. He's not a starter. In two years I think our starting SF will be Batum.
 
Kotah said:
I see your points. But Outlaw is very effective coming off the bench as a spark. Least we forget he led this team in scoring in the 4th quarter last season. He's not a starter. In two years I think our starting SF will be Batum.
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I see Rudy having that role this season instead of Outlaw.
 
This thread from the same folks overreacting when Oden had a bad scrimmage.

That said, Outlaw has disappointed me recently, and it wasn't on the court and it was in real life.
 
Also, let's not forget that LMA seems a bit lost right now with Oden being dominant inside. Should the Blazers get rid of him as well?
 
PapaG said:
Also, let's not forget that LMA seems a bit lost right now with Oden being dominant inside. Should the Blazers get rid of him as well?
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completely different. LMA wasn't half as bad as Outlaw. And this isn't judging Outlaw after 2 preseason games, He can't play within a team concept. Never really has. Running Outlaw iso plays with Bayless and Rudy on the 2nd unit this year doesn't seem like a good idea.
 
I'd trade Travis only because I think his trade value is as high as it's ever going to be. To which team and for whom? That's the million dollar question. But I agree that his role as the spark-plug off the bench is only going to be diminished, and he still seems to struggle with the idea of fitting into a team oriented defensive and offensive scheme. Frankly he's just not a good enough passer, and his court awareness leaves something to be desired. I think we're really going to be missing Martell, hopefully he heals quickly.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I'd trade Travis only because I think his trade value is as high as it's ever going to be. To which team and for whom? That's the million dollar question. But I agree that his role as the spark-plug off the bench is only going to be diminished, and he still seems to struggle with the idea of fitting into a team oriented defensive and offensive scheme. Frankly he's just not a good enough passer, and his court awareness leaves something to be desired. I think we're really going to be missing Martell, hopefully he heals quickly.
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I hate to get in the "trade value" argument again, but we all know Travis is a few games from dominating offensively for a stretch. At his contract, what is the expected return outside of a blockbuster deal, in which Outlaw is just a piece?
 
PapaG said:
Also, let's not forget that LMA seems a bit lost right now with Oden being dominant inside. Should the Blazers get rid of him as well?
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I don't think LaMarcus is lost... his shot just isn't falling. He's getting the wide open shots from the perimeter, and he's getting good looks in the post but for some reason, the 3-foot hooks and turnarounds aren't falling.

Outlaw is struggling to find what to do with himself when people are passing the ball around, and setting screens and putting things in motion.
 
PapaG said:
I hate to get in the "trade value" argument again, but we all know Travis is a few games from dominating offensively for a stretch. At his contract, what is the expected return outside of a blockbuster deal, in which Outlaw is just a piece?
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I'm not trying to resurrect an argument. I agree that I don't know who we would trade him for, and that with his cheap contract you wouldn't be able to do a 1-1 trade and get fair value, I just think that we're staring at likely prospect of diminishing returns with Trav ... hopefully some of his early issues this pre-season have more to with conditioning and he'll pick up steam.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I'm not trying to resurrect an argument. I agree that I don't know who we would trade him for, and that with his cheap contract you wouldn't be able to do a 1-1 trade and get fair value, I just think that we're staring at likely prospect of diminishing returns with Trav ... hopefully some of his early issues this pre-season have more to with conditioning and he'll pick up steam.
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And you know what, I think I may agree with this assessment. That said, I don't see why it would be worth getting rid of Trout right now short of a deadline blockbuster package with LaFrenz.
 
I've been a big defender of Travis in the past. With that said I wouldn't say that I am done with the experiment as if it's some kind of wild gamble on a reserve player, he's a perfectly competent, in fact not so shabby role player of the bench. My concern is if the role he plays is needed on this team, or rather if it will fit.

Last year off the bench he was playing with
Jack, Frye, Jones and occasionally Sergio. THis year he will be playing with Frye, Przybilla, Sergio/Bayless and Rudy (assuming Rudy isn't a starter) that is a complete overhaul of the dynamic IMO. My question is if he will be able to adjust to the new dynamic, from what we have seen it's hard to tell as he really has been off on his shooting.

BTW if he goes 6 of 11 tonight I doubt this is even a question yet.
 
I'm not saying I want to trade Outlaw, but I've always been more willing to trade him than Webster.
 
Damn that Outlaw!

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SodaPopinski said:
Seriously.

Trade the guy and get a real small forward back.

One of the most athletic guys in the league, and all he does is dribble-step and shoot a fadeaway. Can't pass, can't drive, unbelievably not that good in the open court.

And now - with the rest of the talent we have on this team - his one talent becomes more and more irrelevant every day.

I'd hate to see the +/- stats from this game, but my guess is they wouldn't play very favorably for when Travis was in the game. Got absolutely shut down by a PATHETIC Golden State defense.

-Pop
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It's just preseason. Outlaw was a HUGE reason we won 41 games last season. He hit shots in the clutch time after time. Calm down. Don't bash him. He is an important part of our team.
 
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To all of you who finally see the light......welcome, even though you are a year late

Some of you really need to start listening to me.
 
I guess we have our first serious nominee for scapegoat of the year. Get your hate on here Blazer fans!

Personally I'm happy he's on the club even though he had a bad (preseason) game. Though I've never been sold on him as the stud SF of the future, I'm even less sold on Martell. While I'd be fine with moving either (maybe packaged with another player or two) for an upgrade, that opportunity probably won't arise until the midseason trade deadline when some teams are imploding and looking for an overhaul. And of course there are other pathways that KP could utilize to fill upgrade the 3 spot next offseason. In the meantime, he's far and away the best candidate at the 3 so he's the guy. I'm actually pretty happy he's going to get starter minutes to show once and for all what he capable of.

btw, Batum looked pretty nice last night. Me likey

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