I’m ready to say CJ is expendable

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With the emergence of Gary Trent Jr. Similar to when the Warriors had to choose between fan favorite Monta Ellis and the upcoming Klay Thompson. Klay was younger, a better shooter and better defender than Monta.

Now is there a way to trade CJ for Harden without including GTJ?
 
I disagree, but only if CJ can keep putting up good assists. He’s doing a better job of running the backup point position. He still has his MeJ moments but if he keeps playing like this I think we can make it work with all three.
 
He had the ultimate MeJ moment of all MeJ moments tonight. On a key possession late in the game, he literally dribbled the clock away to 5 seconds left and then threw it to RoCo to force up a bad shot to beat the clock.
 
OneSport3 said:
He had the ultimate MeJ moment of all MeJ moments tonight. On a key possession late in the game, he literally dribbled the clock away to 5 seconds left and then threw it to RoCo to force up a bad shot to beat the clock.
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Dame did that once too. So did Lebron. Shit happens.
 
OneSport3 said:
With the emergence of Gary Trent Jr. Similar to when the Warriors had to choose between fan favorite Monta Ellis and the upcoming Klay Thompson. Klay was younger, a better shooter and better defender than Monta.

Now is there a way to trade CJ for Harden without including GTJ?
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I love CJ's offense... he's incredible but his defense doesn't really fit next to Dame. If we keep Gary in a Harden trade we'll just be in the same position next off season as we would be if we keep CJ and Gary. I feel like our team is a conundrum but we'll see how everyone is playing at the trade deadline or if something crazy happens with Harden. If Harden has already been moved and we're in a top spot in the West, I would assume that we worry about the conundrum after we make our best playoff run. We then see who plays best in the playoffs and that might dictate what shrewd decisions we have to make.
 
OneSport3 said:
Difference is CJ does it all the time.
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Every great ball handler and offensive producer does it, every game. Possessions don't always work. I mean check the all time leaders for turnovers. People with the ball in their hands the most often will always have the most mistakes. And the most armchair QBs breathing down their neck.
 
theprunetang said:
Every great ball handler and offensive producer does it, every game. Possessions don't always work. I mean check the all time leaders for turnovers. People with the ball in their hands the most often will always have the most mistakes. And the most armchair QBs breathing down their neck.
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Honestly....CJ has been a black whole for the majority of his career ignoring wide open teammates on a nightly basis. It's not that he doesn't have the ability to pass, he has just chosen not to do it. It is refreshing to see in the last two games to make basic passes to wide open teammates. Well done....it's about time. But don't pretend like this is anything but a very recent occurrence.
 
theprunetang said:
Every great ball handler and offensive producer does it, every game. Possessions don't always work. I mean check the all time leaders for turnovers. People with the ball in their hands the most often will always have the most mistakes. And the most armchair QBs breathing down their neck.
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Sure, every great ball handler does it. However, CJ is not on the same level as Dame and damn not on the same level as LeBron or Harden.
 
TBpup said:
Honestly....CJ has been a black whole for the majority of his career ignoring wide open teammates on a nightly basis. It's not that he doesn't have the ability to pass, he has just chosen not to do it. It is refreshing to see in the last two games to make basic passes to wide open teammates. Well done....it's about time. But don't pretend like this is anything but a very recent occurrence.
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The frustrating part is that CJ has great vision and passing ability. Early in his career, he was great at passsing. Not sure if this is something the coaching staff told him to focus on scoring more.
 
The worst play of the game was CJ dribbling out the clock at the end of the first half. That was tough to watch.
 
Remember when numerous Blazer fans referred to Trent as a black hole. How quickly things change.
 
OneSport3 said:
Sure, every great ball handler does it. However, CJ is not on the same level as Dame and damn not on the same level as LeBron or Harden.
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I will back down and agree with you on this. I, in no way, think CJ is as good of a basketball player as Dame, Lebron, James. And yes, he has showed a kind of single minded focus on scoring over his career. But, I also think people shit on CJ waaaaay too much. And so far this year, with CJ as the backup PG with the 2nd unit, he has for the most part done a pretty phenomenal job facilitating while still being an offensive threat. I really don't think it is appropriate to shit on him RIGHT now. He played well. And you pointed out an error he made, that every good player makes, and even the GREAT ones make. Tonight is not the night to shit on CJ. That's all I'm saying. Shows your single minded focus in that regard. Save it for when he deserves it maybe.
 
theprunetang said:
I will back down and agree with you on this. I, in no way, think CJ is as good of a basketball player as Dame, Lebron, James. And yes, he has showed a kind of single minded focus on scoring over his career. But, I also think people shit on CJ waaaaay too much. And so far this year, with CJ as the backup PG with the 2nd unit, he has for the most part done a pretty phenomenal job facilitating while still being an offensive threat. I really don't think it is appropriate to shit on him RIGHT now. He played well. And you pointed out an error he made, that every good player makes, and even the GREAT ones make. Tonight is not the night to shit on CJ. That's all I'm saying. Shows your single minded focus in that regard. Save it for when he deserves it maybe.
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Not shitting on CJ as much as realizing GTJ is for real and Bubble Trent wasn’t a fluke.
 
OneSport3 said:
Not shitting on CJ as much as realizing GTJ is for real and Bubble Trent wasn’t a fluke.
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I 100% want this to be true. I already convinced myself he was for real in the bubble, but have been disappointed by players before. I really want this to be who GTJ is.


One more note. If this is the REAL GTJr, what a fucking steal in the draft. For real.
 
blazerkor said:
I love CJ's offense... he's incredible but his defense doesn't really fit next to Dame. If we keep Gary in a Harden trade we'll just be in the same position next off season as we would be if we keep CJ and Gary. I feel like our team is a conundrum but we'll see how everyone is playing at the trade deadline or if something crazy happens with Harden. If Harden has already been moved and we're in a top spot in the West, I would assume that we worry about the conundrum after we make our best playoff run. We then see who plays best in the playoffs and that might dictate what shrewd decisions we have to make.
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I hate to burst peoples bubble. But we ain’t getting Harden.
 
MickZagger said:
I hate to burst peoples bubble. But we ain’t getting Harden.
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Just the latest pipe dream that everyone can blame on our GM when it doesn't happen. I love CJ, but I would certainly trade him for floppy Harden. That's just good sense. I'm sure Neil would as well. He isn't as dumb as some think.
 
I don't think CJ is any more expendable than he has been in the past.

We can just take back anything now, doesn't necessarily have to be a guard or wing.

We trade for "put us over the top" talent or not at all, IMO.
 
Here's the thing... he would be amazing in a Manu Ginobili role off the bench, and that should have always been his destiny, but Stotts refuses to make it so.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here's the thing... he would be amazing in a Manu Ginobili role off the bench, and that should have always been his destiny, but Stotts refuses to make it so.
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When have we ever had a Michael Finley-esque player behind whom it would have been reasonable to bring CJ off the bench? Sure, perhaps now, if Trent can do against starters what we've now seen him repeatedly do to reserves...but not in seasons past. Whom do you think should have started in place of CJ previously? Henderson? Crabbe? Turner? Connaughton?You honestly think we would have been better off with any of those guys alongside Dame in the starting 5? I mean an argument could be made for Hood, maybe...but none of those other scrubs were starter-level players.
 
TBpup said:
Honestly....CJ has been a black whole for the majority of his career ignoring wide open teammates on a nightly basis. It's not that he doesn't have the ability to pass, he has just chosen not to do it. It is refreshing to see in the last two games to make basic passes to wide open teammates. Well done....it's about time. But don't pretend like this is anything but a very recent occurrence.
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Amen.
 
Phatguysrule said:
e'd need to bring in an All-Star caliber shooting guard to relegate CJ to the bench.
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I don't think that's necessarily the case. The Spurs had Danny Green as their starting shooting guard with Manu coming off the bench. Sometimes it's about fit. Having Trent's shooting ability and defense next to Dame would make a massive difference in defeating the trap and lessening our issues on perimeter defense.
 
Man???
CJ just literally carried this club to a win against the Rockets and played an awesome game against the Lakers and this kind of thread is still happening?
Gonna be a long season.
 
kjironman1 said:
Man???
CJ just literally carried this club to a win against the Rockets and played an awesome game against the Lakers and this kind of thread is still happening?
Gonna be a long season.
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I really don't think you can judge CJ on the merits of one game. The guy has the ability to completely destroy defenses, but he doesn't do it every night. For every game where he puts up big numbers and can't be guarded, there's a game like last night where he shoots a horrible percentage.

The main difference is he ACTUALLY PASSED THE BALL :lol:
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think that's necessarily the case. The Spurs had Danny Green as their starting shooting guard with Manu coming off the bench. Sometimes it's about fit. Having Trent's shooting ability and defense next to Dame would make a massive difference in defeating the trap and lessening our issues on perimeter defense.
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We can have Trent next to Dame without benching CJ though.

In fact, CJ and Trent were better last night than CJ and Dame or Trent and Dame.

Maybe we should bench Dame?
 
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