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id take Chipper and the switch hitting feature and the additional power...also not that it should play a big affect but Jeter had a 22 million dollar payroll hit while Chipper topped out at 16 million giving me payroll flexiability to get others
 
...unlike Jeter, Chipper plays a position better know for power so it's no surprise he has a higher OPS...as far as payroll I thinks it's safe to say that if Chipper played his entire career as a Yankee his total earning would have eclipsed Jeter's...Atlanta is not exactly known for giving out huge contracts.
 
perhaps..but he didn't hold his team up for a ransom...never heard of Chipper being out on the free market, unlike Jete's and pay me what im "worth" yes his salary was paid for 10 fold for the amount of success his teams had. but he was not the sole reason. Not to dimmish Derek Sanderson Jeter but to start a team id take Larry.
 
..."Larry" never played in NY... And Jeter never played in Atlanta and he never held his team for ransom... you cannot assume both careers would have been the same playing for different teams...it's like trying to prove a negative.
...if the DiMaggio/Williams trade had actually gone through, who know what Joe would have done at Fenway and what Ted may have done at YS...we'll never know.
 
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Taking Chipper over Jeter in 1995 is like taking John Rocker over Mo in 1995.
 
^^^...not to mention he was f'n around on his wife and got some Hooters girl pregnant.

...and have you ever notice when he does an interview, he alway looks and acts like he just "burned one"?
 
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yankeesince59 said:
..."Larry" never played in NY... And Jeter never played in Atlanta and he never held his team for ransom... you cannot assume both careers would have been the same playing for different teams...it's like trying to prove a negative.
...if the DiMaggio/Williams trade had actually gone through, who know what Joe would have done at Fenway and what Ted may have done at YS...we'll never know.
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You asked who I would rather take...im giving my reasons..Arod got a lot of grief when he said teams don't fear Jeter compared to the rest of the lineup.
I would take the switching hitting power hitting third baseman over the right handed hitting shortstop
 
Well when they thaw Ted out, I say we draft his head.

Sorry, an incredible productive shortstop is more rare than a power hitting 3B, switch hitting or not. But then I'm from the school you can build a team around C, SS, CF and Closer. Oh wait...the yanks did that in the 90s, I knew I've seen that formula before.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
You asked who I would rather take...im giving my reasons..Arod got a lot of grief when he said teams don't fear Jeter compared to the rest of the lineup.
I would take the switching hitting power hitting third baseman over the right handed hitting shortstop
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...no, I didn't ask you anything... and while you pointed to power numbers, I pointed out that Chipper played a completely different position that was known more for power numbers than the SS position...you might as well compare a catcher's offensive numbers to a 1Bman's...apples/oranges
....and using ARod's opinion on anything is laughable...you might as well ask Donald Duck what he thinks.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...no, I didn't ask you anything... and while you pointed to power numbers, I pointed out that Chipper played a completely different position that was known more for power numbers than the SS position...you might as well compare a catcher's offensive numbers to a 1Bman's...apples/oranges
....and using ARod's opinion on anything is laughable...you might as well ask Donald Duck what he thinks.
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Your right you didnt ask...but hammer did..he asked for an opinion
People have Yankee glasses on..jeter wasn't even the best as in the American league with a rod and nomar playing ss.

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...sorry, but unless I'm wrong, ARod and Nomar were not part of the OP's equation, no?...but thanx for staying on topic.
 
I would take Jeter for several reasons. When you can play a middle infield position at the level he has played it at and do it on the Big Stage of New York and conduct your personal and professional business without incident. Then I say it isn't even close. It's apples to oranges. Chipper was an unbelievable talent. A version of Eddie Murray, 3B style.
 
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...sorry, but unless I'm wrong, ARod and Nomar were not part of the OP's equation, no?...but thanx for staying on topic.
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It had been said that was easier to find a power hitting 3b man than a shortstop. I'm dating during his prime jeter was one of the best but not the best at his position. I asked what other such hitting 3b were there. It's all about the topic thank you very much.

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...what Totus said has nothing to do with what you and I are talking about, thank you very much. Try to remember who said what and try to keep things in their proper context...if you can't do that, we have nothing else to discuss.

...if you prefer Chipper, fine...but you incorrectly tried to justify your preference by interjecting both different salaries within completely different franchises as well as offensive production between the 3B position and the SS position and both errors were pointed out to you...sorry, but I don't see your argument as compelling at all.
 
How the hell am I not going to compare the two positions when the original question was who would you rather have. It was mentioned that someone woild take the hof ss as it is harder to find someone who put up those numbers. I said there were at least two others who out performed jeter at his ss position. I asked what other switching hitting power 3b was out there. So if I can compare the two by position than ill compare the player to others who play the same position. You mentioned me bringing salary into the discussion. Money plays a factor in starting up a team as well. Chopper at one time was a free agent and could have commanded the same if not more in salary and didn't. The highest salary was still 6 million less than jeter. Ill take that and find a decent 6 million dollar player to play ss.

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lol...unbelievable...you didn't compare the positions, you compared the players without taking into account their positions.

1. Is it fair to compare offensive value/output between the positions of SS and 3B...yes or no?

2. Is it fair to compare the salaries/payrolls between the Yanx and the Atlanta fucking Braves...yes or no?
 
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Why notwhen talking about the two players and their value? Why are you separating two aspects that is very much a part of deciding who you start a team with. What chopper did was more at his position than what jeter did.

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...not surprised at your answer...but you still make no sense.

...so let me get this straight, do you seriously think that if the roles were reversed, Chipper would not have made more money ( $168 Mil) playing for the Yankees than he did playing for the Braves?
...and conversely, do you seriously think Jeter would have made just as much money ($253 Mil) if he had played for the Braves for his whole career?

...sorry, but your payroll theorem is horribly flawed.
 
Holy shot do you get fixated on one part instead of the overall opinion. ..chipper had opportunities to make that money and choose not to.

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...I'm not "fixated" on anything...you pointed to salary behind your reasoning...and I pointed out quite clearly that your theory is flawed and twisted.

...but I can understand why you chose not to answer.
 
Chipper had a rough ending to his career injury wise or keep in mind you're talking about a guy who would've went well over 3000 hits and 500 homers. That being said taking the totality of their careers into consideration I couldn't take him over Jeter.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...not surprised at your answer...but you still make no sense.

...so let me get this straight, do you seriously think that if the roles were reversed, Chipper would not have made more money ( $168 Mil) playing for the Yankees than he did playing for the Braves?
...and conversely, do you seriously think Jeter would have made just as much money ($253 Mil) if he had played for the Braves for his whole career?

...sorry, but your payroll theorem is horribly flawed.
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To answer your question....NO Jeter would not be worth anywhere near to any other team than what he is "worth" to the Yankees. With that said.....Again Jones had opportunities to earn more and choose not to. Why? He could have went to LA, the Mets, or even the Yankees to cash in and didn't.

If you are the Kanas City Royals...who would you take, knowing the salaries are what they are...you take Jones in a heart beat.
 
lets get back to the original thought....how many other third basement were switching hitting power hitters in the late 90's early 2000's? Would you say Chipper was one, if not, the best third basement of his generation? Who would rank higher as a third baseman?
Compare that to Jeter as a shortstop....would Arod and Normar rank higher as SS?
You want to say Jeter because he has outlast Jones in the amount of seasons. Fine...
You want to say Jeter has more intangiables than Jones...not sure how you quantify that but fine..
But to say Jeter was overall a better player and someone you would start a team with over Jones, Ill disagree with you.

I will also say Jeter benefited a lot more playing with the Yankees during his career than Jones did with the Braves. A lot more talent surrounded Jeter up and down the lineup vs what Jones had.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
To answer your question....NO Jeter would not be worth anywhere near to any other team than what he is "worth" to the Yankees. With that said...../B] Why? He could have went to LA, the Mets, or even the Yankees to cash in and didn't.

If you are the Kanas City Royals...who would you take, knowing the salaries are what they are...you take Jones in a heart beat.
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..."NO Jeter would not be worth anywhere near to any other team than what he is "worth" to the Yankees. "
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...you could have stopped right there. ...That statement alone blows your "money" angle right out of the water. If you are admitting that Jeter's salary would have been LESS with another franchise, you also have to admit that Chipper's salary would have been MORE with the Yankees.


"Again Jones had opportunities to earn more and choose not to."
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Again, you are assuming that Jones "money/salary" would not have MORE if he had been with the Yanx.
 
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