Interesting video explaining "privilege"

[julius]

It's an interesting way to explain it, putting it a way that is easy to understand. Instead of knee jerk reactions to the phrase (and avoids pigeon holing it into one singular arena), it shows how it effects everyone, just to varying degrees.

(it is from mtv, and is on facebook, but outside of "MTV...lol" responses, I hope that people will actually give the video a listen. You don't need an account to view it)



On a semi related note, it's kind of a breath of fresh air to watch it and notice that there's no blame going on.

 

[MarAzul]

It's an interesting way to explain it, putting it a way that is easy to understand. Instead of knee jerk reactions to the phrase (and avoids pigeon holing it into one singular arena), it shows how it effects everyone, just to varying degrees.

(it is from mtv, and is on facebook, but outside of "MTV...lol" responses, I hope that people will actually give the video a listen. You don't need an account to view it)


On a semi related note, it's kind of a breath of fresh air to watch it and notice that there's no blame going on.

My reaction;

The word "Privilege" has been around a lot longer than the 60's. Talking about White Privilege is much more recent.

Anger is not a defense mechanism, it is a human feeling.

If everyone has Privilege, then why the need to talk about it?
It is promoted as the evil of the day, even the reason for Obama's difficulties.

“Many of the problems my administration has faced addressing our economic recovery have stemmed from an age old problem which today we are finally acting on which is white privilege & Christianity, both have slowed American progress now and in the past.”

That does not sound like my President. Yes, it pisses me off! Anger even.

Can't remember hearing about this "Privilege" before the divisive one.

 

[julius]

damn, you're an angry old man.

 

[julius]

woops, I mean, damn @SlyPokerDog you're an angry old man.

 

[MarAzul]

damn, you're an angry old man.

Naw. Just pointing out the difference between bullshit and privilege.

 

[dviss1]

My reaction;

The word "Privilege" has been around a lot longer than the 60's. Talking about White Privilege is much more recent.

Anger is not a defense mechanism, it is a human feeling.

If everyone has Privilege, then why the need to talk about it?
It is promoted as the evil of the day, even the reason for Obama's difficulties.

“Many of the problems my administration has faced addressing our economic recovery have stemmed from an age old problem which today we are finally acting on which is white privilege & Christianity, both have slowed American progress now and in the past.”

That does not sound like my President. Yes, it pisses me off! Anger even.

Can't remember hearing about this "Privilege" before the divisive one.

It doesn't sound like your President because Obama said no such thing...

 

[jlprk]

“Many of the problems my administration has faced addressing our economic recovery have stemmed from an age old problem which today we are finally acting on which is white privilege & Christianity, both have slowed American progress now and in the past.”

The nice thing about being a Democrat is that Republicans say so many stupid things, we don't have to make up quotes like you just did.

 

[ripcityboy]

I'm white and can see racial privelege exists clearly and explicitly. It took me about two seconds to figure out. In fact, the term "check your privelege at the door" makes TOTAL SENSE to me. But there is also social privelege and privelege based on sex roles. The only problem I see is when social justice warriors go off the deep end. They attribute social inequalities that don't exist or are made up and I'm like, "are you out of your f-cking mind!" If takes away from any understanding of actual problems.

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[dviss1]

I'm white and can see racial privelege exists clearly and explicitly. It took me about two seconds to figure out. In fact, the term "check your privelege at the door" makes TOTAL SENSE to me. But there is also social privelege and privelege based on sex roles. The only problem I see is when social justice warriors go off the deep end. They attribute social inequalities that don't exist or are made up and I'm like, "are you out of your f-cking mind!" If takes away from any understanding of actual problems.

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Care to elaborate?

 

[ripcityboy]

Care to elaborate?

Well. The Duluth Model for example. The ideas preventing societies from having gender - neutral treatment and conflict resolution for both sexes in domestic abuse cases. It takes two people to start a fight. And since communication methods are taught to children. It seems assinine to me that we teach diversion counciling that men are the main transgressors in these cases when women exhibit violent behavior in the majority as well. Why are we just sending one party to jail and not treating both? Where therapists said they looked for accepted patterns of powerful male dominance in men with domestic abuse problems, all they found were feelings of helplessness and weakness. But society has this sunken cost evaluation it seems with the idea that men have the majority of power in relationships and our funding model is based on that.

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[Denny Crane]

No privilege.

 

[MarAzul]

It doesn't sound like your President because Obama said no such thing...

Actually, I think you are correct. For some reason is was reported though. But hell the man is far too cool to do the deed himself, he will daisy dance around the issue and let other spread the word.
Example;
"On white privilege, he stated: "most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race." That doesn't mean he believes that they haven't been privileged, but that's beside the point for the purpose of winning their support for his policies. The President also said "to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns--this too widens the racial divide and blocks the path to understanding." By this point he has, hopefully, established some credibility with the resentful whites he is trying to reach. He has established that he has empathy for their position."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjC3JXq7q_KAhVH72MKHYi2AoEQFggpMAE&url=http://nationalreport.net/president-obama-white-privilege-christianity-slowed-american-progress/&usg=AFQjCNHxtONhT-vi-IUbGTbPIVgqPaFgLA&sig2=JLMfXpBglYn-_3uRqbECNw

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjC3JXq7q_KAhVH72MKHYi2AoEQFgghMAA&url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/barack-obama-white-privilege_b_1922588.html&usg=AFQjCNHZVhy_cZNHNxwcNiJ5ObAKE6PfKA&sig2=01-sB_NpBDWL50wTxwDNpg

This is good, he won't say it, he won't repeat it, he won't refute it, even though it is all over the place since he took office.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjC3JXq7q_KAhVH72MKHYi2AoEQFghQMAc&url=http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=5833322&usg=AFQjCNGQK_MYUOJK2gug4xQivSaLZTxQmQ&sig2=Covu4gSEKmvwNE9h-36iNA

Even the article dviss posted about Obama saying some shit, just one more beat to get the subject rockin.


One thing is for sure though, there is hardly a word about white privilege to be found prior to the Obama era, but he himself never says it or a word about it. Unless the first article that reportedly quotes him is true. I doubt it, but the word does get out somehow about what the chief thinks. Just like the IRS knows whom to investigate and withhold status needed for fund raising.

 

[MarAzul]

The nice thing about being a Democrat is that Republicans say so many stupid things, we don't have to make up quotes like you just did.

Ha! Well feel free to remain a Democrat, you fit the mold, but you have become sort of a lovable cookie cut to fit.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

2 things. She's hot and I don't really care what she thinks.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oh shit, one more thing. I don't like it when straight people get touchy feely and start kissing in public.

POV public straight porn videos are of course the exception.

 

[dviss1]

Actually, I think you are correct. For some reason is was reported though. But hell the man is far too cool to do the deed himself, he will daisy dance around the issue and let other spread the word.
Example;
"On white privilege, he stated: "most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race." That doesn't mean he believes that they haven't been privileged, but that's beside the point for the purpose of winning their support for his policies. The President also said "to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns--this too widens the racial divide and blocks the path to understanding." By this point he has, hopefully, established some credibility with the resentful whites he is trying to reach. He has established that he has empathy for their position."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjC3JXq7q_KAhVH72MKHYi2AoEQFggpMAE&url=http://nationalreport.net/president-obama-white-privilege-christianity-slowed-american-progress/&usg=AFQjCNHxtONhT-vi-IUbGTbPIVgqPaFgLA&sig2=JLMfXpBglYn-_3uRqbECNw

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjC3JXq7q_KAhVH72MKHYi2AoEQFgghMAA&url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/barack-obama-white-privilege_b_1922588.html&usg=AFQjCNHZVhy_cZNHNxwcNiJ5ObAKE6PfKA&sig2=01-sB_NpBDWL50wTxwDNpg

This is good, he won't say it, he won't repeat it, he won't refute it, even though it is all over the place since he took office.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjC3JXq7q_KAhVH72MKHYi2AoEQFghQMAc&url=http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=5833322&usg=AFQjCNGQK_MYUOJK2gug4xQivSaLZTxQmQ&sig2=Covu4gSEKmvwNE9h-36iNA

Even the article dviss posted about Obama saying some shit, just one more beat to get the subject rockin.


One thing is for sure though, there is hardly a word about white privilege to be found prior to the Obama era, but he himself never says it or a word about it. Unless the first article that reportedly quotes him is true. I doubt it, but the word does get out somehow about what the chief thinks. Just like the IRS knows whom to investigate and withhold status needed for fund raising.

That damn Obama... He invented White Privilege...

Jesus man... You know we can read what you post right?

 

[Further]

From a purely theoretical point of view, I have no problem with the discussion of privilege, I think it most certainly does exist in many forms. However, from a real-life point of view, privilege is uses much more often as a derogatory comment, and much of the time it ends up actually doing damage to what otherwise could be a thoughtful discussion.

I think overall, it's a damaging term that ends up doing the opposite of what was suggested in the video. It becomes such a loaded word that it actually kills communication. If we are to have a discussion on race and white privilege is thrown out, it puts the white person in a position where if they continue the conversation without totally giving in, they are put in the "racist" role. Same thing discussing gender.

Honestly, it's a term that's often used by people who don't have the life experience or wherewithal to discuss the same topics honestly and without the crutch of such powerful words. If the topic needs to discussed, it's easy to point out the inequities that lead to bias for one group, or the unintended benefits one group observes, without having to rely on a hot-button word like Privilege. For anyone who actually wants to further a discussion on this topic, try discussing the topic without having it turn to an accusatory, pre-written rant.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I like Nike, but wait a minute. The neighborhoods are poor so put some money in it.

That is basically my favorite Public Enemy line, I think we're all fucked going forward so have at the racism stuff while you still can.

Watch Elysium for a glimpse of what is coming.

 

[Sinobas]

There are special government loans available only to minorities, black people get bonus on their SAT scores, minorities are given preference for certain government jobs, they get bonus points simply for the color of their skin. There are scholarships available only to minorities. So it's actually MINORITIES that get the special privledges, not white people. White people have imaginary privledge, that exists only in the minds of minorities and libtards, while minorities have actual tangible privledges that you can point to.

And what's the solution to the imaginary privledge that whites supposedly enjoy? Give more REAL privledges to minorities. What a bunch of fucked up nonsense.

Side note: Asians are an exception to the SAT issue, since they actually have points deducted from their SATs to account for the fact that they out perform every other race.

 

[MarAzul]

You know we can read what you post right?

All right dviss, you give us the essence of the moment of inertia with privilege. Please, the calculus of when the mass of the subject was formed.

 

[santeesioux]

Am I too brown or something? I've never gotten anything due to the whiteness I have.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Am I too brown or something? I've never gotten anything due to the whiteness I have.

Dude just sign on to the WMTF (White Male Trust Fund).. They'll hook you up with anything you need.

 

[dviss1]

All right dviss, you give us the essence of the moment of inertia with privilege. Please, the calculus of when the mass of the subject was formed.

I've made my stance on this known from day one. Debating it further with one who doesnt believe it exists or hasn't since Obama became President, is something I really don't choose to do anymore.

Also, trying to use vernacular that one might assume my kind may not understand is hilarious. I have a full grasp on the English language...

 

[MarAzul]

one who doesnt believe it exists

Well let me be very plain. I never heard of the subject prior to Obama. I thought you could give us your take on when the idea began. I would call that the moment of inertia for the idea.
Then there is a simple case to consider. My white family began in this country, when my parents came with their parents to this country from Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Dad was a proud to serve in the US Navy but not for all that long, being a casualty of WWII. I was eight years old when I heard he was not coming home.
I have been supporting myself since I was 16. I also served 6 years with the US Navy and was happy to do so.
My daughter was denied acceptance at Stanford University for reasons of diversity, even though she was a 4.0 student and Valedictorian of her class.

I have seen you claim we owe you, but I thought you might have a clear explanation of just why we owe you and what exactly is the privilege that dad and I have had
that you were denied.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Also, trying to use vernacular that one might assume my kind may not understand is hilarious. I have a full grasp on the English language...

Could you explain it to this dummy then?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Well let me be very plain. I never heard of the subject prior to Obama. I thought you could give us your take on when the idea began. I would call that the moment of inertia for the idea.
Then there is a simple case to consider. My white family began in this country, when my parents came with their parents to this country from Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Dad was a proud to serve in the US Navy but not for all that long, being a casualty of WWII. I was eight years old when he I heard he was not coming home.
I have been supporting myself since I was 16. I also served 6 years with the US Navy and was happy to do so.
My daughter was denied acceptance at Stanford University for reasons of diversity, even though she was a 4.0 student and Valedictorian of her class.

I have seen you claim we owe you, but I thought you might have a clear explanation of just why we owe you and what exactly is the privilege that dad and I have had
that you were denied.

Al Roker has done well for himself but it seems he can't get a cab because of his skin. Don't you see how this happens?

 

[MarAzul]

he can't get a cab because of his skin

Geez, I can't remember the last time I took a cab, might have been Tokyo. But I suppose you mean New York,
wonder what the cab drivers are these days? For that matter, I wonder how he knows it is about his skin?

 

[ripcityboy]

Whenever I think of any social injustice that angers people I am reminded of a sobering fact: That is that there are 62 people in this world are richer than over 3.6 billion. We are living in what Max Weber called "the iron cage." The complete separation of the means of production from the working class due to commodification. As much as I want to believe you can still affect mass change, I see what Cornel West called
"The Demonification of the Poor." It is producing a social inequality that we are is completely oblivious too. You can just turn on TV and see the
glorification of it in "The Kardashians." As angry as we get at racism, sexism, or any other societal evil, there is also a massive sense of injustice from good old fashioned smug elitism. But we can do nothing about.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Geez, I can't remember the last time I took a cab, might have been Tokyo. But I suppose you mean New York,
wonder what the cab drivers are these days? For that matter, I wonder how he knows it is about his skin?

He was hailing a cab, cabbie drove right by him to next white guy and then cabbie admitted it. Happens all the time.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/cab-...-service-to-al-roker_569696ede4b0ce496422dfae

 

[Sinobas]

And how many of taxi drivers are white, or were even born here for that matter?