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yankeesince59 said:
...what does Bobby Meachum have to do with this...you're comparing Long to Meacum?...quite a stretch don't you think?

...how about we stay in the real world and stay in the present...Carew is not a hitting coach and neither is Meachum...Long is one of the most highly respected hitting coaches in the game but for some unexplained reason you don't like him and you don't think he deserves the money he receives. As far as any tangible evidence that he has ruined anyone as a hitter, you have none.

...if clubs did not truly believe that hitting/pitching coaches were necessary they would not employ them, period.


...and I don't recall any of these guys as having stellar hitting careers;

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/base...cle_641950d7-da2b-5c12-8711-9ecc16f65a2c.html
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1st off I never said that Long has ruined anyone's career but I also don't know of anyone he's actually helped either. I mean hell, Jeter has so much confedence in Long that he had to go to Dembo to get him out of his slump.

Secondly Carew WAS a hitting coach. And okay maybe comparing Mechum to Long who is a one of the most HIGHLY RESPECTED COACHES IN THE GAME, although I've never actually heard anyone say that was a LITTLE bit of a stretch even thought as I said, Jeter had to go else where for help & I think Grandy's strikeouts have actually gone up EVERY year since 2010 & Teixiera, well, we won't even go there. But okay I'll take your word that he's WELL RESPECTED.
 
Rick2583 said:
1st off I never said that Long has ruined anyone's career but I also don't know of anyone he's actually helped either. I mean hell, Jeter has so much confedence in Long that he had to go to Dembo to get him out of his slump.

Secondly Carew WAS a hitting coach. And okay maybe comparing Mechum to Long who is a one of the most HIGHLY RESPECTED COACHES IN THE GAME, although I've never actually heard anyone say that was a LITTLE bit of a stretch even thought as I said, Jeter had to go else where for help & I think Grandy's strikeouts have actually gone up EVERY year since 2010 & Teixiera, well, we won't even go there. But okay I'll take your word that he's WELL RESPECTED.
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...you don't have to take my word, that's why I provided the link that backs up what I said. And yes, Carew was a hitting coach but again,like I said, he has nothing to do with NOW. And yes, comparing Long to Meachum is a stretch.

...and no, Jeter did not "have to go elsewhere for help". I must have heard that story told incorrectly at least 10 times...The reason DJ went to his old mentor was simply because he was available at the time DJ was on the DL and Long was Not. (Jeter was on the DL at the time and was obviously not traveling with the team at the time...Long was with the team)...you can look it up if you like.
 
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After a 1st inning groundout Jeter gets his 1st ST hit through the hole on the left side.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...here;

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news...ontent_id=23575758&vkey=news_nyy&ymd=20110822

...now please stop acting as if Jeter shunned Long in favor of Denbo because that's not how it went down at all.
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I could have stopped reading just after seeing the head line of that story but I kept reading then after3/4 of the way down I stopped after reading so much of how Denbo really improved Jeter. Thanks, That was a VERY favorable story on Denbo & how much of a help he was to Jeter.
 
Rick2583 said:
I could have stopped reading just after seeing the head line of that story but I kept reading then after3/4 of the way down I stopped after reading so much of how Denbo really improved Jeter. Thanks, That was a VERY favorable story on Denbo & how much of a help he was to Jeter.
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...uhh, that's why I posted it, rick.

...it's pretty much common knowledge that Denbo helped DJ while he was on the DL...but that's not the argument because it's not as you implied, a situation where Jeter was displeased with Long and because of that, instead sought out Denbo. Like I said, that's not at all the way it went down.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...uhh, that's why I posted it, rick.

...it's pretty much common knowledge that Denbo helped DJ while he was on the DL...but that's not the argument because it's not as you implied, a situation where Jeter was displeased with Long and because of that, instead sought out Denbo. Like I said, that's not at all the way it went down.
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Yeah it was just a good thing that Denbo was available otherwise, well....................................who knows?
 
I recall Dimaggio as Bench Coach for Oakland in 68. IMO, Pinella was perhaps one of the better Yankee Mgr.'s who pointed out hitting hitches or flaws in Mattingly's at bats. As well as pointing out other players flaws when they were in a slump. An old SI article said as much, from Donnie BB.

Gwynn, I'm glad he was pointed out, as he was his own best hitting coach. So many in the 80s turned to Video to study their own swings. Tony was amongst the best hitting coaches, he ever saw himself. Knowing his swing, stance better than any one else. Tony also once said In SI, some of his best hits were balls, low or a bit outside.

59 is right, hitting coaches in general (less a very small select sample size) are often a waste of money to a team. Only the greats seem to succeed.

Even then Mantle could not tell anyone how he played at his level. The Mick said as much in one of his many bios. One reason utility players often become good coaches, (see *** below), ie. Tony LaRussa, was a INF-UTL player on the 68 A's, which Dimaggio was bench coach for. I won't go there with Lasorda, as I never could tolerate the blithering fool. Other's can give him credit, you won't hear it from me tho'. Why because Tommy couldn't come close to the legacy Alston left behind. He wasn't a hitting coach either. Neither was Herzog or Cox. (tho they made good Manager's, and (***they were students of the game, riding the bench more than playing in the Majors). What blows my mind is seeing Jack Clark and/or McGwire as hitting coaches, what are they going to teach anyone, how to swing for the fences?
 
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Rod Carew is the BOMB!!! Rod gave public one on one hitting instruction to my oldest son, and many other kids, in 86. He offered 8 meetings once a week for 2 months. ($50 for a 1 hour lesson). His training included video breakdown of each kids swing, stance, eyes, stride, wrists, extension of arms, place hitting & hitting the ball on the sweet spot, Pulling the ball or sending it the other way, wherever it was pitched basically. Inside out a swing, to keep fielders off guard, (when they know your hitting the ball where its pitched).

When a kid completed Carew's course, the kid was given a personalized autographed pic of themselves with the legend himself...what a thrill for a kid. Actually, I think my son was to young to realize he was learning from one of the games best swat hitters, I think I was more in awe simply watching it all.

Carew and Gwynn are exceptions to the rule.
 
After starting ST 0-10, Jeter is 4 for his last 4!
 
I think he has a shot to finish in the Top 5. Sure 199 is stretch, but it is within reach. If he had not been hurt last year, this conversation would be about getting even higher on that last, although it would take a season plus to catch Aaron.
 
Jeter is currently 10th with 3,316..................

4 hits pass Molitor for 9th
104 hits to pass Yaz for 8th
105 hits to pass Wagner for 7th
120 hits to pass Anson for 6th

184 hits will give him 3,500 hits

As Totus mentioned 199 hits to pass Tris Speaker for 5th.
 
I was too young to really appreciate Aaron and Rose. Imagine if they had had growth hormone, lol!
 
I would be more worried about whether Nova is ON or OFF when
he takes the mound.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...how many of these guys are recognizable?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/List_of_current_Major_League_Baseball_coaching_staffs
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Good link....59

Overall, all the hitting coaches listed in the link, IMO, are maybe questionable instructors. All seem to have one thing in common, they never lived up to their expectations as players, less Baylor, Joyner, Davis-(maybe, relative to your viewpoint).

I recognize these:

Baylor-had good career, and once held the record for hit by pitches, until Biggio broke his record. Not a bad clutch, deep ball, and line drive hitter. I thought Winfield was a big physical player, until I saw Baylor on the same field in Anaheim.

Chili Davis-He did have some clutch key hits with both the Twins and Yanks. Chili was on 3 World Series winning Teams: 91 Twins, 98-99 Yankees. Was on 3 All Star Teams, but only hit 100 RBI's one time (97), and hit 30 HR's once, (93). Kind of says it all.

Presley-As a hitting coach, JIm was fired by the D'Backs, then Marlins, and found a home with Baltimore. No wonder the O's struggles will continue. As a player, Jim Presley, thought he was going to be a Mariner for life, based on his rookie year, but was replaced by Edgar Martinez.

Hojo-we all know what Hojo accomplished as a Met, 3rd bagger and hitter. Not bad at all. (did he like Dykstra ever do PED's)?

Dave Magadan-Nephew of Lou Pinella, had a good year or two with the Mets, hitting .328 in 1990, (a personal high, but would never duplicate this feat). Also played for the Marlins, Mariners, Astros, Cubs, A's, Padres.

Wally World Joyner-edged out Mattingly to start the 86 All Star game, as a Rookie, (with 21 HR's and a .315 B'AVG, by July). Wally came in 2nd in ROY voting behind Jose PED Canseco. Wally had a great first half of his 2nd year. 1987. A sweet easy swing, was on a pace to hit 50+ HR's by the All Star Break-(28), in 87. Although his HR's fell off in the 2nd half. (with 6). Still a good gold glove caliber 1st baseman, whom never won a Gold Glove (thank Donnie BB, J.T. Snow, and R.Palmeiro); even tho' Wally led the AL in 1st base fldg. pctg. in 89, 95-97 with a stellar .996-.998 fldg. pctg. in those years!

Seitzer-good contact hitter, though he too was fired the D'Backs, had some succes in KC, moving on to Toronoto. Seitzer took over 3rd base, when G. Brett retired.

BTW-who the hell was Pedro Gnifol???? Never made a splash as a player. I did see him, (didn't want his autograph either) when he Managed the Hi Desert Mavericks vs. Lancaster Jethawks of the California A (upper) minor league team.

Or Ty Van Burkleo-a lifetime Minor Leaguer, basically. Now why would the Tribe settle for a guy like that for a Hitting Coach? I think 59 has a very valid point. Hitting Instructors are over-hyped, maybe even non-value added, my take not his, tho' similar, methinks. (maybe not) :dunno:
 
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