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<Looks down at notes to remember dead soldier's name>

Ouch. I felt bad for Obama at that moment.
 
i know, that was pretty bad.

although i like his reason for wearing one more.
 
Brand New said:
sooooooo.
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Soooo...

he looked down and shuffled through his notes to remember the name of the soldier who represented that bracelet.

That is the "there you go again" moment of this foreign policy debate. I really did feel bad for the guy. Clearly he has no clue what those bracelets mean.
 
Gee, I wonder if this means PapaG won't be voting for Obama. Because he hasn't made that abundantly clear. :crazy:

Like DrexlersDad said, most people are going to focus on their reasons for wearing the bracelet, not whether or not they had the name written on their script. Obama clearly wasn't planning on using a dead soldier as a prop to pimp his campaign, and McCain was. I liked the response from Obama, like "John, you aren't the only one who cares about our troops and their families."

Big deal if he had to look at the bracelet to remember the name. I'm quite sure Obama's met more people and shook more hands in the past 20 months than most of us will in a lifetime. McCain had it written into his prepared comments.

We get it. You're not voting for Obama. Try not to look so desperate to grasp for straws.

-Pop
 
Wow, they're Bracelet Buddies!


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That was bad IMO. Not a big deal, but it came across to me as a "keep up with the Jones'" Moment that he blundered bit by having to actually read the bracelet to remember the Soldiers name. He obviously had not planned on mentioning it though.
 
I don't want to create a whole new thread for it, so I'll just mention it here. When McCain said Ahmadinejad's name the first time, it was a complete train wreck. He had to stop midway and then go back and take another pass at it.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't want to create a whole new thread for it, so I'll just mention it here. When McCain said Ahmadinejad's name the first time, it was a complete train wreck. He had to stop midway and then go back and take another pass at it.
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So the leader of Iran merits mentioning in a thread about dead US soldiers?

OK then...
 
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/bracelet-wars.html

t was meant as a sign of respect, but now conservatives are saying Sen. Barack Obama's invocation of his "hero bracelet" bearing the name of a fallen soldier is being done against the family's wishes, based on comments made months ago by the soldier's father.

Based on comments the mother of the family gave to the Associated Press today, however, the notion that Obama is wearing the hero bracelet against the wishes of the family -- or more specifically, the mother, who have him the bracelet -- is more complicated that it first seemed. She did ask Obama to stop mentioning her son on the stump, but she approved of the way Obama invoked her son in the debate.
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PapaG said:
So the leader of Iran merits mentioning in a thread about dead US soldiers?
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The thread was about what you viewed as a gaffe, kid. Don't try to paint your "lol obama is teh stupid!!!11!" thread as a somber thread about fallen American heroes.
 
Xericx said:
It seemed a bit low class. "Hey look, a dead soldier's family gave me one too".

pandering of the lowest form.
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Yes, it was pandering.

I thought it was kinda funny. I also felt a little sorry for him. He didn't know what else to do.
 
Minstrel said:
The thread was about what you viewed as a gaffe, kid. Don't try to paint your "lol obama is teh stupid!!!11!" thread as a somber thread about fallen American heroes.
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A reactionary and ridiculous comment from a "mod". I am no "kid", and let me prove that to you.

Ban me!!!
 
ucatchtrout said:
Yes, it was pandering.

I thought it was kinda funny. I also felt a little sorry for him. He didn't know what else to do.
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Probably midway through, he probably thought, "shit, they didn't want me to mention his name". by then it was too late.
 
PapaG said:
A reactionary and ridiculous comment from a "mod".
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There was nothing "reactionary" or ridiculous about it. You tried a very weak and transparent emotional appeal ("This is about the soldiers, how dare you!") and I pointed out that "Ouch, I almost feel bad for Obama" has nothing to do with soldiers and everything to do with you mocking Obama.

I am no "kid", and let me prove that to you.

Ban me!!!
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How does that prove whether you are or aren't a kid?

I'd never ban you. Apart from the fact that I'd never ban anyone except spammers (and prefer to err on the side of less editing than more editing), I love you.

I hope that isn't awkward or uncomfortable.
 
Minstrel said:
There was nothing "reactionary" or ridiculous about it. You tried a very weak and transparent emotional appeal ("This is about the soldiers, how dare you!") and I pointed out that "Ouch, I almost feel bad for Obama" has nothing to do with soldiers and everything to do with you mocking Obama.



How does that prove whether you are or aren't a kid?

I'd never ban you. Apart from the fact that I'd never ban anyone except spammers (and prefer to err on the side of less editing than more editing), I love you.

I hope that isn't awkward or uncomfortable.
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Stupid, all of it. I just thought it was callous of Obama to have to look at his notes to remember the deceased soldier's name. You added Iran into the thread, for reasons which I am still not certain.

Gotta run. Good night Minstrel!
 
PapaG said:
Stupid, all of it.
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Ouch. That was mean. Are you still the victim?

I just thought it was callous of Obama to have to look at his notes to remember the deceased soldier's name. You added Iran into the thread, for reasons which I am still not certain.
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You started a thread on what you considered a gaffe by Obama. I didn't want to start an entirely new thread on gaffes, so I added McCain's gaffe to this thread. Ideally, it all would have stayed in a debate discussion thread, rather than spawning multiple threads on each detail, but I felt merging threads would be over-moderation. There's your explanation.

Gotta run. Good night Minstrel!
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Sleep well.
 
Xericx said:
It seemed a bit low class. "Hey look, a dead soldier's family gave me one too".

pandering of the lowest form.
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Seems like exactly what McCain was doing.

barfo
 
PapaG said:
A reactionary and ridiculous comment from a "mod". I am no "kid", and let me prove that to you.

Ban me!!!
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That's kind of sad then that your an adult and saying this kind of shit. Grow up.
 
PapaG said:
The Dad was flat-out appalled by it, but don't expect that to hit ABCNews.
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the dad didn't give him the bracelet.....


and zagsfan is right, you say your not a kid but you sure as hell act like one
 
Where does Obama look at his notes? He doesn't move his arms as to shufle through his notes or anything. What it looks like is Obama was trying to avoid the gaffe of saying a dead soldier gave him a bracelet, and caught himself before saying that.
 
you are all being way to critical. The point was just that McCain was being presumptous by trying to give the impression that he was the only candidate that cared for the soldiers and vets. I'm also tired of the "requirement" that everyone describe McCain as a "true American hero" whenever they mention his name.
 
http://www.nbc15.com/state/headlines/29864149.html

Soldier's Mother "Ecstatic" about Obama's Bracelet

POSTED: Sunday, September 28, 2008 --- 4:40 p.m.
MILWAUKEE (AP) -- The mother of a Wisconsin soldier who died in Iraq says she was "ecstatic" during Friday's debate when Senator Barack Obama mentioned the bracelet she gave him in honor of her son.
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She criticized Internet reports that suggested Obama exploited her son for political purposes.
She acknowledges e-mailing the campaign in February asking that Obama not mention her son in speeches or debates.
But she says Obama's mention on Friday was appropriate because he was responding after Senator John McCain said a soldier's mother gave him a bracelet.
Jopek says Obama's comment rightfully suggested there's more than one viewpoint on the war.
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Anyway, the bigger issue isn't bracelets.

McCain's major point was pretty irresponsible for a leader, IMO, and much more worthy of discussion. He said that we have to stay in this war because so many had already died for it, and we can't just "waste" those deaths. I find that to be the most terrible rationale possible for sticking with any war.

Those soldiers are dead. Their deaths are validated in the choices they made leading up to their enlistment and the brave actions they took on the ground. Although their deaths may lead to our eventual success, they are (in the ruthless parlance of economics) sunk costs. Sending more people to die just to justify the people who already died is the kind of bad logic that has ruined so many other armies. It's the exact same bad reasoning that makes a gambler spend his last hundred bucks because he's already blown his car and house. If "feels" good to say it, but no military leader should risk more lives on that basis. They have to be above that emotion.

If you think it's worth having a hundred, thousand or ten thousand more Americans die to secure Iraqi freedom, that's fine. We can have a well-reasoned debate about that. But don't get into the whole, "If we leave, they died for nothing!" debate. It cheapens their sacrifice, because you discount the bravery and patriotism they showed in joining the military to fight for something greater than themselves. And it cheapens the lives of those who have yet to die.
 
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