James Brady's death ruled a homicide 33 years after he was shot

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-james-brady-homicide-20140808-story.html

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This sandwhich I'm eating now is going to kill me. Eventually.

 

[jlprk]

Ridiculous. Now they're deciding whether to hold an expensive new trial for Hinkley.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ridiculous. Now they're deciding whether to hold an expensive new trial for Hinkley.

Hinkley never had an old trial. Ruled unfit to stand trial.

 

[jlprk]

Now that he's fit for the leaves he takes, to visit his mother's house, they have to decide whether to hold an expensive new trial.

I stuck in the word "new" just to bug you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Now that he's fit for the leaves he takes, to visit his mother's house, they have to decide whether to hold an expensive new trial.

I stuck in the word "new" just to bug you.

1. It didn't bug me.

2. It's past your bed time.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's not uncommon to only charge a murderer with some of the crimes he committed. That allows the prosecutors the flexibility to bring the additional charges in case something goes wrong in the first trial.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Just plain stupid. Maybe Reagan got Alzheimers from trauma. MURDER!!!!!!

I don't even agree with unfit to stand trial in the first place. If a pit bull used as training bait got out and mauled someone you wouldn't keep it alive because it was crazy.

 

[Stevenson]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

I don't even agree with unfit to stand trial in the first place. If a pit bull used as training bait got out and mauled someone you wouldn't keep it alive because it was crazy.

Let's be happy then that you are not in charge of our legal system. Everyone has a right to due process, even you, even John Hinkley. That's one thing that separates us from, say, ISIS, The State can't kill someone, even if they are crazy, without a trial.

And for the record, proving someone is "crazy" is an incredibly high standard. that's why it is so rarely used and successful even less often. There must be a total break from reality - They don't know "right from wrong nor the nature and quality of their actions." Think about what that really means.

That said, this is classic prosecutorial overreach. A waste of time and money.

But God bless the Rule of Law. In this crazy world, it is one of the true achievements of western society.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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[Denny Crane]

Richard Speck raped and murdered at least 8 nurses back in the 1960s. He was caught and put on trial and sentenced to death by electric chair.

While on death row, the supreme court overturned the death penalty in his case because some jurors were excluded because they were against the death penalty. This was in 1971. In 1972, before the courts could redo the sentencing, the supreme court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional so his sentence was changed to 1,000+ years in prison. He had multiple parole hearings but was never let out, but he could have been.

There were a number of other rape/murders that they believed he committed. They just didn't charge him because they may have wanted to if the supreme court would have overturned the entire case on a technicality. Shit happens. But not after he's been executed.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

Let's be happy then that you are not in charge of our legal system. Everyone has a right to due process, even you, even John Hinkley. That's one thing that separates us from, say, ISIS, The State can't kill someone, even if they are crazy, without a trial.

And for the record, proving someone is "crazy" is an incredibly high standard. that's why it is so rarely used and successful even less often. There must be a total break from reality - They don't know "right from wrong nor the nature and quality of their actions." Think about what that really means.

That said, this is classic prosecutorial overreach. A waste of time and money.

But God bless the Rule of Law. In this crazy world, it is one of the true achievements of western society.

Just as I am unhappy that people like you ARE in charge of making these laws. If a parent kills their own child, they can claim insanity.

I don't wish for laws where people lose hands for stealing or anything of that nature. I just wish that people who snap for ANY reason and kill never see the outside world again.

If there isn't a physical cause like a brain infection or something.

You drink so much you kill someone and don't remember. ...life at minimum.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

Let's be happy then that you are not in charge of our legal system. Everyone has a right to due process, even you, even John Hinkley. That's one thing that separates us from, say, ISIS, The State can't kill someone, even if they are crazy, without a trial.

And for the record, proving someone is "crazy" is an incredibly high standard. that's why it is so rarely used and successful even less often. There must be a total break from reality - They don't know "right from wrong nor the nature and quality of their actions." Think about what that really means.

That said, this is classic prosecutorial overreach. A waste of time and money.

But God bless the Rule of Law. In this crazy world, it is one of the true achievements of western society.

By the way, I didn't say without a trial. I said it is a bulshit term "unfit for trial"

You can have a trial whether they are competent or not. If they snap out of it later and want a new trial..fine.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

By the way, I didn't say without a trial. I said it is a bulshit term "unfit for trial"

You can have a trial whether they are competent or not. If they snap out of it later and want a new trial..fine.

A person has to be able to aid in their own defense.

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

A person has to be able to aid in their own defense.

5th amendment:
Nor shall any person . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

So, why should the state be allowed to deprive Hinkley of Liberty if he can't aid in his own defense?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

5th amendment:
Nor shall any person . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

So, why should the state be allowed to deprive Hinkley of Liberty if he can't aid in his own defense?

the patriot act?

 

[jlprk]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

5th amendment:
Nor shall any person . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

Sounds like habeas corpus, which lasted 200 years till Bush.

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

Sounds like habeas corpus, which lasted 200 years till Bush.

Hinkley was tried in court and found not guilty.

Yet he'll be locked up for life. Sounds like he got habeas corpus.

 

[MARIS61]

After being shot Brady became a cowardly hypocrite who turned against his countrymen, his party, and most of his friends, spending his later years being used as a puppet to enslave them at the bequest of his power-hungry wife.

The Bradys have the blood of thousands upon thousands of disarmed innocents on their hands, and have done more to weaken The Constitution and overthrow this country than anyone before them.

Reagan turned my stomach, and undermined my country, but I believe anyone convicted of attempting to murder the President should never be free.

That said, Hinckley did indeed stand trial and was found not guilty by reason of insanity decades ago.

That's the end of it, legally.

 

[MARIS61]

Re: James Brady's death ruled a homic

Let's be happy then that you are not in charge of our legal system. Everyone has a right to due process, even you, even John Hinkley. That's one thing that separates us from, say, ISIS, The State can't kill someone, even if they are crazy, without a trial.

Well, except for Obama. He can murder any American he wants for any reason, without a trial, as long as he uses a drone.