Jerami Grant’s face, and WTF?!?!

[Natebishop3]

Reports over the summer and last season were that we had first round pick offers and didn’t accept because we were holding out for 2 firsts.

Now we are all desperately hoping that someone gives us one at the deadline.

if that doesn’t happen, woo boy. Cronin should be fired.

speaking of, given the nets struggles to get 2 firsts for cam Johnson right now, does anyone think we could sell Deni for the price we paid (2 decent firsts)? Seems unlikely.

So first of all, if we get ANYTHING for Grant, it's a win. The alternative was letting him walk for nothing and he caught a lot of shit for giving him that contract. He rolled the dice, and if he isn't able to get a first.... so be it.

Second, Deni is significantly better than Cam Johnson. He's younger. He's not injury prone like Cam. They're not even close to being the same player.

 

[STOMP]

Reports over the summer and last season were that we had first round pick offers and didn’t accept because we were holding out for 2 firsts.

& you believed that? How in the world did you not sniff out those "reports" as complete and total BS? Grant has had a terrible contract since the day he signed it. Many here said so on that day & nothing has changed at any point since. Teams have never been looking to add overpaid aging players (unless it's to dump another terrible contract), let alone throw in a 1st or two to make it happen. This is especially so now that we're in the age of salary cap apron tiers where teams get punished for exceeding set limits.

I know this sucks for us but ignoring this reality is just playing pretend time

STOMP

 

[wizenheimer]

So first of all, if we get ANYTHING for Grant, it's a win. The alternative was letting him walk for nothing and he caught a lot of shit for giving him that contract. He rolled the dice, and if he isn't able to get a first.... so be it.

Second, Deni is significantly better than Cam Johnson. He's younger. He's not injury prone like Cam. They're not even close to being the same player.

yeah, as soon as that contract was announced it was widely criticized, here and elsewhere. Not only for the salaries, but for the 5 year length

at this point, a couple of 2nd's and an expiring contract would be a big win for Portland. Of course, in my view, that goes for Simons and Ayton too. I want all three of those guys out of town. Grant doesn't irritate me as a player as much as Simons and Ayton do, but his contract sure does

as for Johnson vs Avdija, Deni has more utility but I'm not sure he has more value. Deni is younger and a lot less injury-prone so that probably tilts the balance in his favor; and he has a little 'better' contract

but Johnson is a good pure shooter with high efficiency. Higher 2-way and 3&D value....probably. The problem for both is that they have had their most productive seasons on bad teams. I think there is some valid stigma attached to that in trade value

 

[RR7]

2 years at 20 and 22 million versus 3 years at 14, 13 and 12 million is "a little better"?
If it was reversed, and we had the higher contract, I'm sure it'd be a wide gulf in value between the two contracts. But we have the good one, so it's just a little better. Of course.
Johnson's also missing the D in 3&D. He is similar in size, but reading from fans of his teams, he's a PF more out of necessity, because he can't cover wings at all.

 

[wizenheimer]

2 years at 20 and 22 million versus 3 years at 14, 13 and 12 million is "a little better"?
If it was reversed, and we had the higher contract, I'm sure it'd be a wide gulf in value between the two contracts. But we have the good one, so it's just a little better. Of course.
Johnson's also missing the D in 3&D. He is similar in size, but reading from fans of his teams, he's a PF more out of necessity, because he can't cover wings at all.

ok...delete the 'little' in that sentence

 

[RR7]

ok...delete the 'little' in that sentence

You continue to find the negative in EVERYTHING, I'll continue to call you on it. Balls in your court

 

[wizenheimer]

You continue to find the negative in EVERYTHING, I'll continue to call you on it. Balls in your court

bullshit. You don't like me and you are always a prick when you reply to me...like you were in that post. You imagined intent based upon one word and your own bias

I didn't really think much about using the word 'little'. Was just typing. It wasn't some planned negative design like it apparently seemed in your brain. I know was thinking about the discussions we've had here about how Avdija's declining contract makes it less and less likely he'll sign an extension. In Johnson's final year of his contract he could sign an extension for as much as 34M/year. In Avdija's final year he can only sign an extension for 18.6M/year; 20.5M/year if he signs the year before. With that differential It will be much easier to sign Johnson to an extension than it will be to convince Ajdija to sign when his max as a free agent could be well over 40M/year

so yeah, Avdia's annual salary is a lot better than Johnson's annual salary. But his contract isn't because of that reality. And I said contract...not salary

 

[RR7]

Lol, look at you finding the negative in his deal! You can't help yourself.

 

[wizenheimer]

Lol, look at you finding the negative in his deal! You can't help yourself.

is it very unlikely that Avdija will sign an extension? is that a positive or a negative for Portland?

is it very likely that Avdija will become UFA in 2028 and could sign with another team? Is that a positive or a negative for Portland

 

[Natebishop3]

is it very likely that Avdija will become UFA in 2028 and could sign with another team? Is that a positive or a negative for Portland

I don't know yet. I think we can still offer him the most money when he's a UFA.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't know yet. I think we can still offer him the most money when he's a UFA.

Blazers can match any max salary offer. But they can offer higher step raises than another team. Now. I doubt he's going to be a max-player. In 2028, a max 30% salary slot could start at around 60M (assuming 10% annual increases in the cap; which may or may not be a good assumption)

my point was that Portland lacking a realistic option of signing him to an extension before he becomes UFA was a negative component of his contract

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You imagined intent based upon one word and your own bias

To be fair, he never said anything about intent; you simply inferred that. He even said in a subsequent post that "you can't help yourself", which supports the contention that he believes your negativity to be intrinsic and involuntary rather than intentional.

You should blame your ex-wives for making you this way.

 

[wizenheimer]

To be fair, he never said anything about intent; you simply inferred that. He even said in a subsequent post that "you can't help yourself", which supports the contention that he believes your negativity to be intrinsic and involuntary rather than intentional.

You should blame your ex-wives for making you this way.

my ex-wives get some blame, especially the first one

but he and I have had plenty of....'encounters' here and at RealGM and it's always him attacking me for what he sees as negativity. He even said in that post that if the contracts had been reversed I'd take a different tack, so yeah, he was talking about intent. I've suggested before he should just put me on ignore so I wouldn't irritate him with my tone and intent

 

[BlayZa]

How about GG Jackson, Brandon Clarke and Luke Kannard and 2026 pick to Portland for Jeremi Grant & Duop Reath to Memphis?

TBH id love to have BClarke on the team, big fan of his - plays hard, never quits, and doesnt need the ball to be useful