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[dviss1]

 

[Chris Craig]

Not suprised

 

[Chris Craig]

Oil and coal companies have Trump in their pockets. Can't have competiton out there. Can't have alternate resources of energy taking away their money. Who needs solar power anyway right? We shouldn't care about the damage we are doing to our planet or have alternate resources to clean up our act, to have in place so when the oil runs dry in 50 years we have something to fall back on.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Charcoal briquettes will not give you skin cancer.

The sun does.

Putting these sun loving panels on your home only invites the cancer to rain down upon you.

 

[Minstrel]

Charcoal briquettes will not give you skin cancer.

The sun does.

The science misunderstanding here is so sad. If you breath in charcoal briquettes (or eat them), that's very carcinogenic. Whereas, breathing in sunlight isn't carcinogenic.

What do they teach in pupper schools, these days? Just a classic 1950s obedience curriculum?

 

[Hobbesarable]

Charcoal briquettes will not give you skin cancer.

The sun does.

Putting these sun loving panels on your home only invites the cancer to rain down upon you.

I wonder how @Denny Crane feels about this. Didn't he have solar panels installed on his house?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oil and coal companies have Trump in their pockets. Can't have competiton out there. Can't have alternate resources of energy taking away their money. Who needs solar power anyway right? We shouldn't care about the damage we are doing to our planet or have alternate resources to clean up our act, to have in place so when the oil runs dry in 50 years we have something to fall back on.

Do you know ANYTHING about this other than the paragraph Dviss posted?

 

[Minstrel]

I wonder how @Denny Crane feels about this. Didn't he have solar panels installed on his house?

No, he had coal-burning panels installed on his house. No climate change fear-mongering is going to chase him away from profitable coal power.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The science misunderstanding here is so sad. If you breath in charcoal briquettes (or eat them), that's very carcinogenic. Whereas, breathing in sunlight isn't carcinogenic.

What do they teach in pupper schools, these days? Just a classic 1950s obedience curriculum?

Solar panels are a scam started by big pharma and big sun.

- @rasheedfan2005

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I wonder how @Denny Crane feels about this. Didn't he have solar panels installed on his house?

*Secret forum rules imposed on me prevents me from commenting on this.*

 

[Minstrel]

*Secret forum rules imposed on me prevents me from commenting on this.*

I submit a Freedom of Information Act request for those documents.

 

[barfo]

I call for an special counsel investigation of Minstrel.

barfo

 

[tlongII]

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...cts-President-Trump’s-Remedy-Decision-Section
“SolarWorld Americas appreciates the hard work of President Trump, the U.S. Trade Representative, and this administration in reaching today’s decision, and the President’s recognition of the importance of solar manufacturing to America’s economic and national security. We are still reviewing these remedies, and are hopeful they will be enough to address the import surge and to rebuild solar manufacturing in the United States. We will work with the U.S. Government to implement these remedies, including future negotiations, in the strongest way possible to benefit solar manufacturing and its thousands of American workers to ensure that U.S. solar manufacturing is world-class competitive for the long term.”

 

[tlongII]

https://portlandtribune.com/ht/117-...s-on-foreign-solar-panels-solarworld-impacted

Hillsboro-based SolarWorld Americas got some much-needed good news on Monday, after President Donald Trump approved a series of tariffs on solar products imported into the U.S., potentially saving the company from closure.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

https://portlandtribune.com/ht/117-...s-on-foreign-solar-panels-solarworld-impacted

Hillsboro-based SolarWorld Americas got some much-needed good news on Monday, after President Donald Trump approved a series of tariffs on solar products imported into the U.S., potentially saving the company from closure.

LETS SEE WHAT THE CHINESE COMPANIES THAT USE SLAVE LABOR TO MAKE SOLAR PANELS REACTS TO THIS NEWS, AS IT AFFECTS THEM DIRECTLY AND ALSO AFFECTS COMPANIES HERE USING CHEAP CHINESE SOLAR PANELS INSTEAD OF ONES MADE IN THE GOOD OL' USA.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

^^^^^^ Hmmm, someone finally posted some actual info. I read a BBC article immediately after reading Dviss1 post because I actually was curious about actually learning the truth. Isn't that odd.

I actually was amused by the Trump jokes.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm seriously trying not to troll on this one, even though the dude has some serious Trump hate going on...

What is bad about having to buy American-made solar panels? Or, if they suck that badly, isn't the tariff (can be considered "business tax" going to gov't) kind of what the D's were railing against the repeal of about, I don't, 2 weeks ago?

What am I missing?

 

[barfo]

It's kind of interesting that the two solar companies who wanted this tariff are owned by Germans and Chinese.

barfo

 

[barfo]

I'm seriously trying not to troll on this one, even though the dude has some serious Trump hate going on...

What is bad about having to buy American-made solar panels? Or, if they suck that badly, isn't the tariff (can be considered "business tax" going to gov't) kind of what the D's were railing against the repeal of about, I don't, 2 weeks ago?

What am I missing?

Not following you, what were the D's against the repeal of? Maybe I missed something in the news...

To the broader point, though, why not have 1000% tariffs on everything, if tariffs are such a good idea?

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'm seriously trying not to troll on this one, even though the dude has some serious Trump hate going on...

What is bad about having to buy American-made solar panels? Or, if they suck that badly, isn't the tariff (can be considered "business tax" going to gov't) kind of what the D's were railing against the repeal of about, I don't, 2 weeks ago?

What am I missing?

TDS

 

[BrianFromWA]

It's kind of interesting that the two solar companies who wanted this tariff are owned by Germans and Chinese. barfo

This very much has the feel (early, without reading a ton on it) of the (D) resistance to the tax cuts. "It'll be horrible, you're taking from the poor!" (people realize their taxes will go down) "You're going to let the rich companies get fat and buy back their own stock at the expense of the little guy!" (People start getting $1,000 bonuses left and right). "It won't make companies bring their money back to America, who are you kidding?" (Apple brings $300B back into the US and pays 22% tax on it). It smacks of "if my guy did it, I'd be cool, but since the Cheetoh Nazi is proposing it, eff you guys!"

"Hey, want to not be beholden to a foreign company undercutting our American jobs out of business? Tariffs generally help with that"
Dviss, interestingly enough I would've thought you'd be about tariffs, as that's one of the major pillars of Bernie Sanders' platform, and one he's agreed with Trump on since at least August 2015

 

[Denny Crane]

I wonder how @Denny Crane feels about this. Didn't he have solar panels installed on his house?

No solar panels.

I don't favor tariffs like this one.

I also don't favor China dumping product on us so our workers can't compete, and I don't favor supporting an industry by government writing checks to the owners.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Not following you, what were the D's against the repeal of? Maybe I missed something in the news...

Basically (and I know it's very rudimentary of me to think this way) that giving tax breaks to businesses was a bad plan, and that businesses should be contributing more to the national spend plan. This, admittedly, targets those who import overseas panels to sell to Americans, but it seems as if it's really just making sure businesses pay more in taxes/tariffs to the gov't if they deal with companies overseas.

To the broader point, though, why not have 1000% tariffs on everything, if tariffs are such a good idea? barfo

Maybe because, as Ben Franklin said, everything in moderation?

 

[barfo]

This very much has the feel (early, without reading a ton on it) of the (D) resistance to the tax cuts. "It'll be horrible, you're taking from the poor!" (people realize their taxes will go down) "You're going to let the rich companies get fat and buy back their own stock at the expense of the little guy!" (People start getting $1,000 bonuses left and right). "It won't make companies bring their money back to America, who are you kidding?" (Apple brings $300B back into the US and pays 22% tax on it). It smacks of "if my guy did it, I'd be cool, but since the Cheetoh Nazi is proposing it, eff you guys!"

Or, it's like deficit spending. It's terrible when democrats do it, but when Republicans increase the debt by $1.5 trillion, it's all great!

Truth is, lots of hypocrisy on many sides, on many sides.

"Hey, want to not be beholden to a foreign company undercutting our American jobs out of business? Tariffs generally help with that"
Dviss, interestingly enough I would've thought you'd be about tariffs, as that's one of the major pillars of Bernie Sanders' platform, and one he's agreed with Trump on since at least August 2015

Tariffs do generally help with that. There are potentially pretty severe side effects which may be much worse than the disease, however.

If the doctor had actually attended med school, I'd feel more comfortable with the diagnosis.

barfo

 

[BrianFromWA]

Or, it's like deficit spending. It's terrible when democrats do it, but when Republicans increase the debt by $1.5 trillion, it's all great!

You won't find me saying that deficit spending is good, but if it's $1.5T over a decade vs. 11T over 8 years, except that this time I'm getting a cut of it? Yeah, I'm ok with it.

Tariffs do generally help with that. There are potentially pretty severe side effects which may be much worse than the disease, however. If the doctor had actually attended med school, I'd feel more comfortable with the diagnosis.
barfo

I get the feeling that the President, for his many faults, has a decent grasp of macroeconomics and business relations. I mean, he's not a community organizer or anything, but he has some experience. But I don't know who he listens to or whether he's surrounded by yes-men that will allow him to jump off a financial cliff if he sees a snickers bar at the bottom...

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If everyone buys junk whirlpool appliances we'll create way way way more jobs fixing them than we'll supposedly lose in the solar industry.

It is more likely people will just pay more for Korean stuff.

 

[barfo]

I get the feeling that the President, for his many faults, has a decent grasp of macroeconomics and business relations.

That's.... interesting. Since he doesn't even seem to understand what a trade deficit is/means, I wonder where you get that feeling.

barfo

 

[stampedehero]

If we have Americans cornering a US solar market, that would be all good.

 

[MarAzul]

Wonder how many tariffs on Chinese stuff would it take for them to recall Kim the Nk's nukes?

 

[MARIS61]

Absolute nonsense.